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Posted on 1/4/21 at 11:49 pm to tconle2
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Actually, it has. Playoffs are the ONLY thing that matters to many of these kids. 35% of the five stars have gone to the same three teams, because they are always in the playoffs No other games matter ... look at the opt outs, with are here to stay
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 12:36 am to VABuckeye
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I agree with you. In the years Ohio State didn’t make the playoffs almost no one opted out (only Denzel Ward I believe) and the team played just as hard as they did during the season. It’s a culture issues at schools and the programs with a lot of opt outs aren’t moving up the ladder.
You arent wrong
Guess which schools did not have players opting out and had players writing op-eds and protesting for a season before anyone's season even started.
Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields got together. Blasted the internet with we want to play.
Alabama hasnt had opt outs
Is it really a surprise that people at the next level on the aggregate respect these people more? No it really isnt.
Michigan players just quit. LSU players just quit. ACC players all over just quit.
But Alabama, Ohio State, and Clemson players did not quit
What is irrelevant is everyone else pretending they have football culture.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 7:40 am to Jacknola
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Amazing how so many people have suddenly decided bowl games are “meaningless”
Again I’m not saying I like that but the evidence is there. At least for the players. LSU has been hit hard by opt outs but it’s hardly the only team. UGA, UF, even UNC had some of their best players opt out of on paper “big” bowl games,
Posted on 1/5/21 at 7:44 am to r2d2
What exactly did the bowls mean before the playoffs?
Illusions and delusions, college football is thy name.
Illusions and delusions, college football is thy name.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 7:50 am to bamameister
Players didn’t see the stupidity of the bowl system until the playoff arrived.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 7:55 am to Ag Zwin
quote:Them's fighting words! Just ask Tulsa.
Myth: "The BCS/CFP ruined college football by making all other bowl games irrelevant."
Posted on 1/5/21 at 7:58 am to BucEes
It is the easy button society....and it is going to get much worse
Posted on 1/5/21 at 8:03 am to djsdawg
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Players didn’t see the stupidity of the bowl system until the playoff arrived.
The fans sure did. They were clamoring for a playoff long before the BCS was through giving us our 2 man race.
The stupidity of the bowl season has always been there back to when it's all we had. It seldom ever gave us more than a beauty contest full of regional bias for NCs.
In short, bowl season has always been tits on a bull.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 8:05 am to VABuckeye
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I agree with you. In the years Ohio State didn’t make the playoffs almost no one opted out (only Denzel Ward I believe) and the team played just as hard as they did during the season. It’s a culture issues at schools and the programs with a lot of opt outs aren’t moving up the ladder
Part of the reason Ohio State players didn’t opt out is because they need film showing matchups against future NFL talent. You get some of that with Michigan and Penn State. They’re the only big 10 teams outside of OSU with top 25 talent. You also get that in a bowl game. In the SEC you get that almost every week. There’s 10 SEC teams in the top 25 according to 247 team talent composite.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 8:11 am to Ag Zwin
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Myth: "The BCS/CFP ruined college football by making all other bowl games irrelevant."
Bowls are irrelevant only to people who don't care about them. That't players and Fans. And it really depends on expectation. But that would happen without BCS/CFP. If you think you have a chance to go undefeated and you go 8-9 wins, you'd less likely to be happy with your bowl placement.
I'd much rather have 1 champion over 2-3 teams claiming it.
Also, frick USC for claiming '03. Bitches didn't earn it on the field.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 8:23 am to bamameister
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short, bowl season has always been tits on a bull.
Yep
Posted on 1/5/21 at 8:40 am to tconle2
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Myth: "The BCS/CFP ruined college football by making all other bowl games irrelevant."
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Problem is the players believe it as well. Otherwise you wouldn't have opt outs.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 8:43 am to Ag Zwin
What you're seeing now is a really a return to normal.
For most of their existence, bowl games didn't really matter. There weren't very many and were exhibitions that paired teams that rarely met in the regular season and gave players a chance to go places they otherwise might not get to see.
The Rose Bowl paired the Big-10 vs Pac-10.
The SEC champ went to the Sugar.
The Southwestern Conference went to the Cotton
The Big-8 (now the Big-12) went to the Orange.
In addition to those, you had the Liberty, Gator, Sun, and Citrus and that was it. The NCAA wouldn't even allow more games to be created. Notre Dame didn't play in bowls until 1970 and IIRC, if you were Big 10 it was Rose Bowl or bust.
Bowls didn't count towards final rankings. AP didn't permanently change to awarding titles after the bowls until 1968. UPI (now the Coach's poll) didn't do so until 1974.
They were supposed to be fun and not so serious but when the polls made that change, they became a lot more important. Come in ranked top 5, lose, and you might finish outside the top 10 - which gets coaches at high level programs fired.
Now for those high level teams, the goal is the playoffs once again returning the bowls to their secondary status.
Pretty good short article here.
For most of their existence, bowl games didn't really matter. There weren't very many and were exhibitions that paired teams that rarely met in the regular season and gave players a chance to go places they otherwise might not get to see.
The Rose Bowl paired the Big-10 vs Pac-10.
The SEC champ went to the Sugar.
The Southwestern Conference went to the Cotton
The Big-8 (now the Big-12) went to the Orange.
In addition to those, you had the Liberty, Gator, Sun, and Citrus and that was it. The NCAA wouldn't even allow more games to be created. Notre Dame didn't play in bowls until 1970 and IIRC, if you were Big 10 it was Rose Bowl or bust.
Bowls didn't count towards final rankings. AP didn't permanently change to awarding titles after the bowls until 1968. UPI (now the Coach's poll) didn't do so until 1974.
They were supposed to be fun and not so serious but when the polls made that change, they became a lot more important. Come in ranked top 5, lose, and you might finish outside the top 10 - which gets coaches at high level programs fired.
Now for those high level teams, the goal is the playoffs once again returning the bowls to their secondary status.
Pretty good short article here.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 8:46 am
Posted on 1/5/21 at 8:52 am to Ag Zwin
The playoff is awful in its current format.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 8:58 am to JustGetItRight
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For most of their existence, bowl games didn't really matter.
Consider that until a few years ago, Army, one of the most decorated programs in college football history, had played in exactly 5 college bowl games.
Bowl games started to become important in the 60s with the Arkansas/Alabama debacle. Which, the football gods being cruel gods, turned around and bit Arkansas the very next year. But you would have to wait for Bear Bryant to start throwing his weight around to create unofficial national title games in the 70s for them to really get a ton of attention.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 9:04 am to da prophet
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D1 college football is screaming for a 16 or better yet 24 team playoff
No it's not. Just some of you fans are. The playoffs are fine at 4 teams. Everyone does not belong in the playoffs. It is supposed to be hard. If your team isn't good enough then get better, don't lower the bar.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 9:10 am to Ag Zwin
No, an over proliferation of bowl games pitting teams that have no business in celebrating the seasons they've just had. Next, way too many games on that water down the actual good-great product that most people want to see.
I mean SJS VS NE LA type games that just over-saturate the viewers and causes a case of over- kill to happen.
Back off some games. Show only the premium matchups. Celebrate good scheduling and punish the cake eaters.
Get rid of bowl teams with less than
8-9 wins. Don't put the CCU'S with tOSU'S and football will take back it's previous unchallenged supremacy. Quit, making all the rules favor offenses. Let them play! Targeting is ok. But, petty calls that have nothing to do with the play at hand, has to stop. Not set for 1 second? So! Play ball!
I mean SJS VS NE LA type games that just over-saturate the viewers and causes a case of over- kill to happen.
Back off some games. Show only the premium matchups. Celebrate good scheduling and punish the cake eaters.
Get rid of bowl teams with less than
8-9 wins. Don't put the CCU'S with tOSU'S and football will take back it's previous unchallenged supremacy. Quit, making all the rules favor offenses. Let them play! Targeting is ok. But, petty calls that have nothing to do with the play at hand, has to stop. Not set for 1 second? So! Play ball!
Posted on 1/5/21 at 9:25 am to bamameister
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What exactly did the bowls mean before the playoffs?
Illusions and delusions, college football is thy name.
I don't disagree. It was false if you will but going to the Rose Bowl, Sugar, Orange at one point had some meaning. A few times when a bid was seemingly being won on the field you saw fans throwing oranges to the field, players pouring sugar on the sidelines....Pac 10 (back then) and Big 10 teams really wanted to play in the Rose Bowl...there was demonstration of joy for playing those games.
All that is long gone.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 9:32 am to Arksulli
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Bowl games started to become important in the 60s with the Arkansas/Alabama debacle. Which, the football gods being cruel gods, turned around and bit Arkansas the very next year.
1964
Both major polls award titles before bowl games. Bama and Arky both undefeated. Bama voted champs. Bama loses Sugar Bowl, Arky wins Cotton Bowl.
AP decides to change and award the title after the bowl games.
1965
Alabama opens the season with a 1 point loss to Georgia. Arky again goes undefeated in the regular season. Arky loses the Cotton Bowl to LSU. Alabama thumps #3 Nebraska in the Sugar Bowl. Alabama voted AP national champions.
AP goes back to awarding the national title at the end of the regular season.
I don't think you can find a better microcosm of both Arkansas football and the power of the REC than those 2 years.
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