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re: Myth: "The BCS/CFP ruined college football by making all other bowl games irrelevant."
Posted on 1/5/21 at 9:47 am to FightinTiga
Posted on 1/5/21 at 9:47 am to FightinTiga
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Nope,political BS did
I find these kinds of answers unfulfilling. Anything we don’t like gets tossed into the big bucket of things we think are terrible and the Red or Blue team is to blame for it. This seems to be even more common when simple material, financial answers are involved because no one wants to confront how the core structure of how this world functions - that we’re instilled from near birth to believe is immutable - could actually be the force that erodes the traditions were hold dear.
As I’ve said early, the primary reason opt-outs are more significant today than a decade ago is simply a financial decision magnified by the NFL diminishing the rookie contract numbers far more precipitously if you aren’t an early pick. An injury in an exhibition football game that could affect combine performance or rookie year availability is potentially a hefty loss of incoming.
I don’t want to be too political but people who accept that capitalism breeds innovation need to also accept that capitalism can and will destroy tradition at a whim. It is simply a function of the structure we live in: sometimes the things you like will get chewed apart because it can be repurposed in a way to make someone or somebodies more money. Paying rookies less creates less investment risk for NFL ownership. In turn, it has made those heading to the pros have to weigh the consideration of playing an exhibition v. guarding their likely draft position (money).
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 9:50 am
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 10:04 am to Ag Zwin
It ain't just bowl games...even prior to 2020 in person attendance was down across most of CFB. The game is just becoming less and less popular across the board, in my opinion. This is why we have seen 2 different QBs in the SEC have arguably the best seasons a QB has ever had in 2 consecutive years...and a third one do almost as well this year....they SEC has changed holding and pass interference to facilitate more scoring. Its blatantly obvious....especially holding. Fans aren't hardly interested in 100 point games they sure as hell ain't interested in 10 point games. Just like a juiced baseball of changing charging in basketball or offsides in soccer...all it takes is a subtle change in the way the calls are made to make a HUGE impact on the field. Given some of the names who have played QB in the SEC prior to 2019 is it really possible that 2 and possibly 3 of the best seasons EVER happened in a 2 year span....with records SHATTERED against individual opponents? CFB is becoming irrelevant across the board and is trying to make it more interesting to fans. Football isn't as popular as it was even one generation ago....in 3 it will almost not exist at all.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 10:11 am to Gtmodawg
I think the made-for-television time slots are partly a factor for lower attendance. The big factor being that all games are on national television now. No regional broadcasts. No PPV.
The 12pm ET kickoffs suck arse. The 8/9pm ET kickoffs suck arse. Constantly playing games at 3:30pm ET during late Summer in the South sucks arse.
Viewership was down in 2020 pretty significantly but that it likely just a COVID speed bump. ADs will complain and worry a bit about attendance but as long as the TV money is correct, they’ll live with it.
The 12pm ET kickoffs suck arse. The 8/9pm ET kickoffs suck arse. Constantly playing games at 3:30pm ET during late Summer in the South sucks arse.
Viewership was down in 2020 pretty significantly but that it likely just a COVID speed bump. ADs will complain and worry a bit about attendance but as long as the TV money is correct, they’ll live with it.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 10:15 am
Posted on 1/5/21 at 10:12 am to Ag Zwin
Might just be me but I found the BCS much more exciting than the CFP. They had computer rankings that balanced with human rankings and the BCS encouraged strengthening your schedule.
The CFP is just a bunch of yahoos who vote.
The CFP is just a bunch of yahoos who vote.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 10:14 am to Sid E Walker
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Having 35 bowl games is what made the vast majority of bowl games irrelevant.
There needs to be a dozen bowl games, that’s all. Get it back to where making a bowl means something. Like it used to be.
This is absolutely true. 70 teams going bowling, often with losing records or near losing records, is silly.
I think a 10 game regular season starting either the last Saturday in August or the first Saturday in September depending on the year and ending by mid November and a 32 team tournament is the fix.....16 of those teams would be eliminated in the first round.....another 8 in the second and another 4 in the third. It'd be over by for almost everyone by Christmas even with a bye week during the season and another during the tournament. We saw this year scheduling doesn't requires years of planning simply a desire to schedule a game. It would eliminate conference title games so it will never happen but it would allow for a 8 game conference schedule, one regular non conference rivalry like UGA/GT and one rent a win during the regular season, with a BYE, and and end to the season for everyone with the same number of games for the 2 finalists and fewer games for 2 semifinalists who played in a conference championship game....and would produce some good matchups in weeks 2 and 3. Far more compelling than most bowl games and non conference games currently played. It seems simple but it ain't ever going to happen.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 10:20 am to Ag Zwin
Bowl games became irrelevant when everybody got to one. It used to be an accomplishment to play in a bowl and you would play a team you never usually got to play. Now you go to one every year unless you're terrible and you end up playing the same teams not that infrequently due to conference tie ins. Also, it was a chance you got to see players/teams you never got to see on TV because so little was televised. Now there is no mystique or mystery or anything because every game is on TV and there's a 24/7 news cycle. Throw in the recent fact that this generation of players don't even care anymore and you have the current sucky situation. It has zero to do with the playoff.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 10:28 am to RandySavage
These players have a deep sense of who is getting rich, like no other generation. Bowl Games are a money grab and players know it. Bowls represent injury to NFL bound talent. And losing money that is finally in THEIR pockets.
I think these Bowl Games only remind the NFL players it's my turn to get paid, why risk it?
I think these Bowl Games only remind the NFL players it's my turn to get paid, why risk it?
Posted on 1/5/21 at 10:29 am to Chimlim
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The CFP is just a bunch of yahoos who vote.
This is how bad it is. I am now agreeing with an LSU poster.
When it started, the CFP committee was largely (not universally) regarded as a sober, logical, minimally biased group of reasonably plugged in voices. Even Condoleeza Rice was given the benefit of the doubt, despite her qualifications generally being that she was a really big fan of football and had some impressive stuff in a world completely outside of football.
The committee membership changes, but that is to be expected. Thing is, it probably has a finite pool of credibility and goodwill that will only decrease over time as more decisions are questioned. I’m not sure they ever rebuild that, but they lose some every time there is a year like this where the choices are not clear cut.
Over time, and absent something like an 8 team format that has an automatic bid for each P5 champion and 3 discretionary, I expect this committee will face a time when they are dismissed as biased, ossified, etc.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 10:31 am to Diego Ricardo
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I think the made-for-television time slots are partly a factor for lower attendance. The big factor being that all games are on national television now. No regional broadcasts. No PPV.
The 12pm ET kickoffs suck arse. The 8/9pm ET kickoffs suck arse. Constantly playing games at 3:30pm ET during late Summer in the South sucks arse.
Viewership was down in 2020 pretty significantly but that it likely just a COVID speed bump. ADs will complain and worry a bit about attendance but as long as the TV money is correct, they’ll live with it.
Good points....TV has compeletely destroyed the PAC 12....kids in SOCAL with potential at the next level ain't playing at 9 am in Corvallis or 11 PM Eastern Time in LA or Seattle....because no one is awake or interested in either time slot.
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