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My 8 team playoff idea (involves 10 teams with 2 play in games)
Posted on 12/5/11 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/5/11 at 10:00 am
Let me start off by saying that I was against anything more than a 4 team playoff (+1) for a long time. It was for seasons like LSU has had this year as to why I had a hard time letting several other teams get a crack at a national title. However, it seems a playoff would solve some of the issues with seasons where a deserving team or teams are left out. Here's my suggestion and I think it's a good one:
I think an 8 team playoff with a couple of play in games would work well. It would actually involved 10 teams and here's how it works. The play in game also serve to give the #1 and #2 seeds an advantage as they will be playing teams that had to play a week before and therefore won't be rested like #1 and #2 will.
10 teams with seeds #7 thru #10 playing each other on the higher seeded team's home field a week or so before New Year's weekend. The winners of these two games become the #7 and #8 seeds. You then play the 4 BCS games, then those 4 winners play the next weekend, and those 2 winners play in the title game the next weekend. The season would only finish a week later than it already does.
The 10 teams come from the 5 BCS conference champs (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, and Pac 12) and from 5 at large teams which would be the 5 highest rated BCS teams that didn't win their conference. Teams are seeded strictly based off their BCS ranking regardless of whether they won their conference or not. Here is how such a playoff would look this year:
#7 Boise State vs #10 Clemson (play in game played in Boise, ID)
#8 Kansas State vs. #9 Wisconsin (play in game played in Manhattan, KS)
#1 LSU vs. Kansas St/Wisconsin winner in Sugar Bowl
#2 Alabama vs. Boise St/Clemson winner in Orange Bowl
#3 Oklahoma State vs. #6 Arkansas in Fiesta Bowl
#4 Stanford vs. #5 Oregon in Rose Bowl
This system includes all conference champs as well as the 5 highest rated teams that didn't win their conference. Seems as good a system as any as far as including all conference champs AND all the best teams. There's only 1 top 10 team (South Carolina) excluded from the playoff under those rules which shows it does as good a job as any system at truly getting the top group of teams into the playoff. What say you board?
I think an 8 team playoff with a couple of play in games would work well. It would actually involved 10 teams and here's how it works. The play in game also serve to give the #1 and #2 seeds an advantage as they will be playing teams that had to play a week before and therefore won't be rested like #1 and #2 will.
10 teams with seeds #7 thru #10 playing each other on the higher seeded team's home field a week or so before New Year's weekend. The winners of these two games become the #7 and #8 seeds. You then play the 4 BCS games, then those 4 winners play the next weekend, and those 2 winners play in the title game the next weekend. The season would only finish a week later than it already does.
The 10 teams come from the 5 BCS conference champs (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, and Pac 12) and from 5 at large teams which would be the 5 highest rated BCS teams that didn't win their conference. Teams are seeded strictly based off their BCS ranking regardless of whether they won their conference or not. Here is how such a playoff would look this year:
#7 Boise State vs #10 Clemson (play in game played in Boise, ID)
#8 Kansas State vs. #9 Wisconsin (play in game played in Manhattan, KS)
#1 LSU vs. Kansas St/Wisconsin winner in Sugar Bowl
#2 Alabama vs. Boise St/Clemson winner in Orange Bowl
#3 Oklahoma State vs. #6 Arkansas in Fiesta Bowl
#4 Stanford vs. #5 Oregon in Rose Bowl
This system includes all conference champs as well as the 5 highest rated teams that didn't win their conference. Seems as good a system as any as far as including all conference champs AND all the best teams. There's only 1 top 10 team (South Carolina) excluded from the playoff under those rules which shows it does as good a job as any system at truly getting the top group of teams into the playoff. What say you board?
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 10:04 am to Govt Tide
I say NO conference tie-ins. Top 10 BCS teams PERIOD...
Posted on 12/5/11 at 10:06 am to Govt Tide
way way way way too many teams.
the hbt modified plus 1 game or a straight up plus 1 is much better.
IMO very rarely will we have 5 undefeated deserving teams. Im not worried about hurting a 1 loss teams feelings because once you lose you leave it up to others for your fate so you can't truly be fricked.
also id rather someone be treated unfairly every once in a while vs punishing undefeated teams like LSU.
the hbt modified plus 1 game or a straight up plus 1 is much better.
IMO very rarely will we have 5 undefeated deserving teams. Im not worried about hurting a 1 loss teams feelings because once you lose you leave it up to others for your fate so you can't truly be fricked.
also id rather someone be treated unfairly every once in a while vs punishing undefeated teams like LSU.
This post was edited on 12/5/11 at 10:08 am
Posted on 12/5/11 at 10:08 am to Govt Tide
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My 8 team playoff idea (involves 10 teams with 2 play in games)
Posted on 12/5/11 at 10:09 am to Govt Tide
If a play in team were to make it to the National Championship, they will have played 17 games (assuming a conference championship game).
Posted on 12/5/11 at 10:10 am to Govt Tide
Gary Danielson's format is 100% better than this.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 10:10 am to Govt Tide
where are the semifinals and finals played?
Posted on 12/5/11 at 10:11 am to heartbreakTiger
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way way way way too many teams.
the hbt modified plus 1 game or a straight up plus 1 is much better.
IMO very rarely will we have 5 undefeated deserving teams. Im not worried about hurting a 1 loss teams feelings because once you lose you leave it up to others for your fate so you can't truly be fricked.
I actually agree with you. I just thought up that set up because it's the best way to do an 8 team playoff if we ever got to that point. I like a seeded +1 but with that you would have people bitching about Stanford making it in over Oregon. I'm not crazy about an 8 team playoff but people seem hellbent on making sure all BCS conference champions automatically get in (even if they have 3 or 4 losses) so my setup had that in mind.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 10:12 am to Govt Tide
we already have a 12 team playoff. it's called the SEC season.
seriously, an 8 team playoff doesn't work because it would require NCAA sanctioning and if they sanction a playoff (like they do w/ basketball), they also control the money, which is the deal breaker.
the "plus-one" can be done easier and the BCS conferences will still get the money. i think it could happen for next year and as part of the restructuring, they need to remove the restriction of 2 schools per conference. it wouldn't have changed the top 4 (LSU,BAMA,OKST, STAN) but would have let Arkansas gone to the Sugar over Va Tech.
seriously, an 8 team playoff doesn't work because it would require NCAA sanctioning and if they sanction a playoff (like they do w/ basketball), they also control the money, which is the deal breaker.
the "plus-one" can be done easier and the BCS conferences will still get the money. i think it could happen for next year and as part of the restructuring, they need to remove the restriction of 2 schools per conference. it wouldn't have changed the top 4 (LSU,BAMA,OKST, STAN) but would have let Arkansas gone to the Sugar over Va Tech.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 10:13 am to Govt Tide
quote:Unless you have 120 team playoff, people are going to bitch about getting snubbed. Even then people will bitch about match ups and seeding.
I like a seeded +1 but with that you would have people bitching about Stanford making it in over Oregon.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 10:17 am to Vale
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Gary Danielson's format is 100% better than this.
What is his format? I did hear someone take almost the exact same format I did but as a 6 team playoff instead of a 10 team playoff. #1 and #2 get byes while #3 plays #6 and #4 plays #5 for the #3 and #4 seeds. I like that idea a lot as long as it's limited strictly to the 6 highest rated teams in the final BCS poll. That would leave out a couple of conference champions each year and you know we can't leave a conference champion out of anything.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 10:18 am to Govt Tide
see i just dont give a frick about those people. It falls under my you aren't undefeated so you have no right to bitch part.
no system will ever be 100 percent perfect unless you go with some hybrid flex system.
2 major undefeated teams no plus 1, just bcs title game
1 undefeated 2 one loss- the number 1 team is in the game, 2 and 3 play.
4 1 loss teams- plus 1
3 undefeated teams and you use a plus 1 allowing the top ranked 1 loss team in. random drawing on the pairings.
no system will ever be 100 percent perfect unless you go with some hybrid flex system.
2 major undefeated teams no plus 1, just bcs title game
1 undefeated 2 one loss- the number 1 team is in the game, 2 and 3 play.
4 1 loss teams- plus 1
3 undefeated teams and you use a plus 1 allowing the top ranked 1 loss team in. random drawing on the pairings.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 10:19 am to WDE24
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If a play in team were to make it to the National Championship, they will have played 17 games (assuming a conference championship game).
Adds a lot of injuries to the season. And college isn't like the NFL, the "next guy up" is likely a lot worse than the starter. A play-in team is gonna end playing scrubs by game 17.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 10:29 am to heartbreakTiger
Your "flex system" makes by far the most practical sense but I think too many money hungry entities want to turn everything into a "playoff" with an even number of teams involved.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 11:23 am to Govt Tide
Aren't you a fan in the SEC? Your playoff system would be the sec west + top teams from the SEC east. That sounds about right. SEC, SEC, SEC!
Posted on 12/5/11 at 11:25 am to Govt Tide
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There's only 1 top 10 team (South Carolina) excluded from the playoff under those rules
OFC
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:01 pm to Govt Tide
GDs format is a 6 team playoff. Top 2 seeds MUST be conference champions. Other 4 seeds are up for grabs from anywhere. The seeding and teams selected are done by a known selection committee so there is accountability and you don't have selections like the Sugar Bowl this year that are all about the money.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:08 pm to Govt Tide
I don't see why they can't put 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 in two of the BCS bowl games on Jan. 1st and still play the BCS title game with the winner of the 2 games going.
BCS still gets money, and we get a true champion.
BCS still gets money, and we get a true champion.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:30 pm to eric4UA08
why do we care about bowls getting money?
You realize these bowls have guys making half a million dollars with the extremely difficult job of running one game a year?
2 options - 1 Top 8 teams in the country selection committee like Bball uses. No conference limitations are applied if the top 3 teams are from the same conference all 3 get in. No auto-tie ins for conferences, I don't care that you won the ACC at 8-4.
(Selection Committee would closely resemble AP votes more than likely).
8 Wisconsin @ 1 LSU
5 Arkansas @ 4 Stanford (dropped Oregon a seed to avoid a first round rematch)
7 Boise St @ 2 Alabama
6 Oregon @ Ok. State
Semi Finals match up east and west in Ga Dome/Super Dome rotation and Jerry World/Arizona for west
Title Game - Could either stay in place at the Rose Bowl or rotate.
2nd option is to allow for conference tie-ins.
12 teams with only 4 AQs (SEC, Big 10, Pac 12, ACC).
Once you take the 4 AQs you have a selection committee take select 8 at-large no restrictions.
Top 4 seeds get a bye higher seeds host first round.
(12 Mich @ 5 Oregon) @ 3 Ok ST
(10 K State @ 7 Boise State) @ 2 Alabama
(9 South Carolina @ 8 Wisconsin) @ 1 LSU
(11 Mich St @ 6 Arkansas) @ 4 Stanford
You realize these bowls have guys making half a million dollars with the extremely difficult job of running one game a year?
2 options - 1 Top 8 teams in the country selection committee like Bball uses. No conference limitations are applied if the top 3 teams are from the same conference all 3 get in. No auto-tie ins for conferences, I don't care that you won the ACC at 8-4.
(Selection Committee would closely resemble AP votes more than likely).
8 Wisconsin @ 1 LSU
5 Arkansas @ 4 Stanford (dropped Oregon a seed to avoid a first round rematch)
7 Boise St @ 2 Alabama
6 Oregon @ Ok. State
Semi Finals match up east and west in Ga Dome/Super Dome rotation and Jerry World/Arizona for west
Title Game - Could either stay in place at the Rose Bowl or rotate.
2nd option is to allow for conference tie-ins.
12 teams with only 4 AQs (SEC, Big 10, Pac 12, ACC).
Once you take the 4 AQs you have a selection committee take select 8 at-large no restrictions.
Top 4 seeds get a bye higher seeds host first round.
(12 Mich @ 5 Oregon) @ 3 Ok ST
(10 K State @ 7 Boise State) @ 2 Alabama
(9 South Carolina @ 8 Wisconsin) @ 1 LSU
(11 Mich St @ 6 Arkansas) @ 4 Stanford
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:36 pm to Vale
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GDs format is a 6 team playoff. Top 2 seeds MUST be conference champions. Other 4 seeds are up for grabs from anywhere. The seeding and teams selected are done by a known selection committee so there is accountability and you don't have selections like the Sugar Bowl this year that are all about the money.
I still think the win your conference argument is kinda dumb but that system at least gives 4 of the spots to the highest ranked teams regardless of conference affiliation which is a good thing. I assume #3 would play #6 and #4 would play #5 in the first round while the #1 and #2 seeds get byes? If so, I like his system a lot.
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