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Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:10 pm to 3down10
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:10 pm to 3down10
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But nobody frames it that way ever. Nobody says their team drops down to 60 scholarship players in order to make room for the 25 new recruits(avg obviously).
Kelly was hired at the end of November specifically so he could finish out the class and get transfers etc. He was coach before all those transfers. He finished the class, the players that got you to the 70s were part of that class.
But instead, it's just "he was handed this amount of scholarships 2 months after he was hired and we aren't going to count the class for the year"
What the actual frick are you guys talking about right now? Is this how desperate you are to come up with favorable things to say about your coach?
Like you said, typical turnover puts you around 60.
LSU was closer to 40.
That's 20 more true freshman or transfers you're relying on than the typical team.
20 more players that are new to your program.
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:11 pm to thunderbird1100
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The entire point here is we had way low number of scholarship players outside of normal (As much as you want to make it seem like it was not that far from normal), it was nowhere close to normal the turnover we experienced.
No, the entire point is you are exaggerating the number of scholarship players by about 30 to paint a false picture on the difficulties he faced.
He was down about 13-15 scholarships. Some of which weren't even available to start with. Is that so hard to say?
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:52 pm to 3down10
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No, the entire point is you are exaggerating the number of scholarship players by about 30 to paint a false picture on the difficulties he faced.
Nobody is exaggerating anything, the fact is we had 38 players dressed for the bowl game, in total we had in the low 40s of scholarship players left, that is FAR BELOW the "norm: of about 60 as you keep seemingly glossing over.
To even GET to 70 guys we had to add 30 from high school/portal. The high school was almost done at that point and Kelly walked into a situation where we had around a dozen commits. We didnt have a class of 20-25, he had like a dozen. So thats 1 very difficult problem when you are coming into a situation of aobut 20 players more turnover than "normal" and dont even have much inthe high school class. He hit the portal relatively hard to add another 15 and added a high school kid or two for us just to get 70 players. 70 would be a lot less than the 85 and to get there we had to stretch things in some capacity as it was.
No idea why you are trying to make so light the situation he walked into. It was completely outside of the norm and he did a lot just to get us to a 70 number for next season. Theres no point in taking 30 portal players if 15-20 of them arent going to be worth your time. You take guys who can play and are obviously willing to come.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:54 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Like you said, typical turnover puts you around 60.
LSU was closer to 40.
That's 20 more true freshman or transfers you're relying on than the typical team.
20 more players that are new to your program.
I dont understand why this is a difficult concept for him to grasp. There was nothing remotely normal about the situation Kelly walked into, we had extreme turnover and we've spent 3 offseasons simply rebuilding back to fully "normal". You dont just turn a roster from 40 into 85 over night. It's easy to do that with 60 into 85 with your incoming guys, especially high school alone...the issue is he couldnt even fall back on that as we had around a dozen commits in the class that was in practicality mostly over at that point. He didnt get any luxury of a full or near full high school class.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:57 pm to thunderbird1100
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I dont understand why this is a difficult concept for him to grasp. There was nothing remotely normal about the situation Kelly walked into, we had extreme turnover and we've spent 3 offseasons simply rebuilding back to fully "normal". You dont just turn a roster from 40 into 85 over night. It's easy to do that with 60 into 85 with your incoming guys, especially high school alone...the issue is he couldnt even fall back on that as we had around a dozen commits in the class that was in practicality mostly over at that point. He didnt get any luxury of a full or near full high school class.
They grasp it. They just don't want to acknowledge it. It doesn't fit the narrative around here. Ya'll are wasting your breath.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:57 pm to thunderbird1100
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I dont understand why this is a difficult concept for him to grasp.
That poster is always like this, constantly moving goalposts and using strawman arguments.
Then he tries to pretend everyone else is at fault.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:35 pm to Lucado
Poor poor little tiggers hahaha.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:33 am to thunderbird1100
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Again, when you experience massive turnover, like Deion created at Colorado last offseason, the worst thing you can do is add a bunch of crap from the portal to get near the 85 and expect good things to happen
Well, he's recruiting his arse off now. I spent the last two weeks in South America with work. Saw Coach Prime cruising down the Rio Negro (not racist - its a place) near its junction with the Amazon River outside of Manaus, Brazil. Man is pulling all stops to find talent.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:01 pm to DirtyCreekBottoms
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And blew you out at your home. BK is a joke and is about to be exposed big time this year in this league. He won the lottery with JD last year and still could barely get it done. Oh yeah...and the SEC west sucks recently.
He's lucky asf that Auburn, Miss State and Florida (they play eachother very often) are all down big time recently.
Heupel let Satterfield as an OC put up 63 on his squad. Overrated as hell
Posted on 4/25/24 at 10:41 pm to DirtyCreekBottoms
The question has been answered. END THREAD!
LSU had all that NFL talent, and Josh Heupel took a ragtag group of 3 stars and walk-ons and ran them out of Dead Valley by halftime.
The game was not even close, and was never in doubt.
40-13
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AHM21
You (LSU) had top six picks at QB and WR -
Including a Heisman winner - and you went to the Cheez-It Bowl and the ReliaQuest Bowl.
LSU had all that NFL talent, and Josh Heupel took a ragtag group of 3 stars and walk-ons and ran them out of Dead Valley by halftime.
The game was not even close, and was never in doubt.
40-13
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:16 am to Tennessee
It’s comical how most Tennessee fans’ proudest moment is beating a very bad LSU team in an 11 AM kickoff game, or finally beating Alabama for the first time in like 20 years.
I guess Tennessee baseball choking in 2022 was a lost opportunity for a new core memory to be proud of (btw everyone outside of Knoxville knew that team was overrated). And of course, last year’s Omaha trip was cut short (haha). And then Purdue beat the brakes off of Tenn in the basketball tournament. Also c Tennessee fans have never been able to listen to one of their guys give a heisman speech. And of course, you guys usually don’t even waste your time watching day 1 of the NFL draft, because yall have only had like one guy taken in the first round, in the last decade.
I have seen so many seasons end in purple and gold confetti. LSU has experienced more athletic success in the last five years, than Tennessee has in the last 50 years.
You'll be watching the highlights to that 2022 11 AM game for years to come, while the rest of the sports watching world moved on as soon as the 2023 season kicked off.
I guess Tennessee baseball choking in 2022 was a lost opportunity for a new core memory to be proud of (btw everyone outside of Knoxville knew that team was overrated). And of course, last year’s Omaha trip was cut short (haha). And then Purdue beat the brakes off of Tenn in the basketball tournament. Also c Tennessee fans have never been able to listen to one of their guys give a heisman speech. And of course, you guys usually don’t even waste your time watching day 1 of the NFL draft, because yall have only had like one guy taken in the first round, in the last decade.
I have seen so many seasons end in purple and gold confetti. LSU has experienced more athletic success in the last five years, than Tennessee has in the last 50 years.
You'll be watching the highlights to that 2022 11 AM game for years to come, while the rest of the sports watching world moved on as soon as the 2023 season kicked off.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 3:47 am to AulderMagee
I keep seeing the word generational. How long is a generation these days? 4-5 years? Generational QB suggests there was not a better QB just 5 seasons ago.
Hooker for example could have been Tenn’s generational QB if he could have finished the job.
Hooker for example could have been Tenn’s generational QB if he could have finished the job.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 4:51 am to Geaux615
Purdue did not beat the breaks off us. We big time outscored them minus Edey's free point throws. Refs wanted Uconn vs Purdue and they got it.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 11:08 am to Lucado
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They grasp it. They just don't want to acknowledge it. It doesn't fit the narrative around here. Ya'll are wasting your breath.
If you have to come up with a unique way of counting scholarships, the stat is bullshite. You've never in your life ever counted scholarship numbers this way for any other team.
And if you want to get technical, Brian Kelly was hired at the end of November. All those kids who transferred did so after he was there.
He was then given months to finish up LSU's recruiting class for the year.
It would be like Alabama fans claiming DeBoer arrived at Alabama with only 50 scholarship players and pretending he had build the entire program as an excuse for shitty results.
This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 11:09 am
Posted on 4/27/24 at 11:08 am to The Hooz
11 AM kickoff has nothing to do with either teams chances. It’s just funny that UT fans only have that meaningless 11 AM game to point to when going after LSU.
Tennessee “historically owns” LSU? Lmao if you are referring to their head to head matchup from before I was born, that means nothing to me. LSU has absolutely been among the elite teams over the past 20 years.
Tenn has been a dumpster fire since the 90’s. LSU has played for four National Championships since the last time Tennessee did anything relevant. Keep clinging to that “history” though
Tennessee “historically owns” LSU? Lmao if you are referring to their head to head matchup from before I was born, that means nothing to me. LSU has absolutely been among the elite teams over the past 20 years.
Tenn has been a dumpster fire since the 90’s. LSU has played for four National Championships since the last time Tennessee did anything relevant. Keep clinging to that “history” though
Posted on 4/27/24 at 11:12 am to DirtyCreekBottoms
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Refs
Tennessee’s favorite word
Posted on 4/27/24 at 11:29 am to 3down10
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If you have to come up with a unique way of counting scholarships, the stat is bullshite. You've never in your life ever counted scholarship numbers this way for any other team.
I've been here long enough to know that you have to have the last word, so I'll leave it at this. And I'm going to go really slow. When Brian Kelly arrived at LSU we had 39 scholarship players on the roster.
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They then signed 15 high school players, bringing that number to 54. They then signed 19 players from the transfer portal, bringing that number to 73 in his first year.
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Not ideal. Despite that, he managed to beat Alabama and win the west in his first year. Ya'll can keep repeating this narrative that he inherited a great roster, but that is simply not the case.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 11:47 am to Lucado
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I've been here long enough to know that you have to have the last word, so I'll leave it at this. And I'm going to go really slow. When Brian Kelly arrived at LSU we had 39 scholarship players on the roster.
And it's bullshite.
BK arrived in November, not January as your article cites. It also completely ignores all incoming scholarships and transfers, which nobody else ever does.
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They then signed 15 high school players, bringing that number to 54. They then signed 19 players from the transfer portal, bringing that number to 73 in his first year.
So the real number is 73, not 39. Because everyone counts the incoming scholarships. except for LSU the year BK was hired.
This January, did you claim LSU was down to 60 scholarship players? No, because it's stupid.
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Not ideal. Despite that, he managed to beat Alabama and win the west in his first year. Ya'll can keep repeating this narrative that he inherited a great roster, but that is simply not the case.
The only claim I made is that the 39 scholarship number is complete bullshite and nobody else in the history of college football has ever counted scholarships like this.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:50 pm to The Hooz
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Tennessee beating LSU was not a big deal to UT fans
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LSU fantasies of being "elite" to be total bullshite.
It's hilarious to me that Tennessee fans keep trying to trash LSU football and baseball when both programs have been far more successful than your own in my lifetime, at least.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:06 pm to DirtyCreekBottoms
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He wasn't ranked by them for good reason. Guy is going to have a 5 to 6 win season next year.
Are LSU fans ready for reality to hit? No more JD to carry you. You were a 4 win team last year max with no JD.
This is a really bad time for Texas and OU to join up for you as well I'd imagine. Next season is going to be a real wake up call for your fans.
Brian Kelly owning some serious rent space in that head to be melting over this at 6am on a Saturday morning.
This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 6:16 pm
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