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re: Meyer: Saban is not the greatest coach ever but he is in the top two or three
Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:07 pm to Bench McElroy
Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:07 pm to Bench McElroy
Meyer is a great coach but let's not act like he didn't step into some very good situations at both Florida and Ohio State. There was talent galore on those two rosters. At least at OSU he hasn't had competition within conference which is the way he likes it. That may change soon, however.
Saban had to rebuild two programs with limited talent. LSU probably had more talent in '00 than Alabama did in '07 because DiNardo could recruit. Either way....LSU hadn't really done anything since the mid-80s and Saban was able to turn them into a national power.
Alabama, going into the 2007 season, had gone 67-55 overall since 1997. After 10 years of mediocrity there were very few in the sports world who believed Alabama would ever be as great as it had been during the Bryant era. Saban changed all of that.
Ohio State was a year removed from a 12-1 season and a Top 5 finish when Meyer took over in 2012.
Saban had to rebuild two programs with limited talent. LSU probably had more talent in '00 than Alabama did in '07 because DiNardo could recruit. Either way....LSU hadn't really done anything since the mid-80s and Saban was able to turn them into a national power.
Alabama, going into the 2007 season, had gone 67-55 overall since 1997. After 10 years of mediocrity there were very few in the sports world who believed Alabama would ever be as great as it had been during the Bryant era. Saban changed all of that.
Ohio State was a year removed from a 12-1 season and a Top 5 finish when Meyer took over in 2012.
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:11 pm to RollTide1987
Saban is going to stay long enough to tack on 1-2 more so Urbs can't catch him.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:12 pm to Bench McElroy
One coach is second all time in national championships, the other fled the sec by faking medical conditions to avoid playing the other. Coach b will forever coach a's bitch
Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:15 pm to RandySavage
When Meyer was at UF he had twice as many loses to teams in the west than east. He lost to every team in the west except Arky. Struggled with LSU,lost multiple times to Auburn, multiple times to Bama, lost to Ole Miss and Missippi ST. The refs screwed Arky out of a win and had to apologize.
He dominated UGA, UT, USCe. Vandy and UK. What Urban did is not close to what Saban is currently doing.
He dominated UGA, UT, USCe. Vandy and UK. What Urban did is not close to what Saban is currently doing.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:15 pm to narddogg81
Coach b made coach a his bitch last year when given the opportunity.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:22 pm to Bench McElroy
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Meyer has been paying attention to Saban’s recent work; specifically, the successful onside kick call in this month’s national title game and the Crimson Tide’s hiring of offensive coordinator Lane Kiffin.
That onside kick was ballsy and alpha as frick. Reminded me of Payton's call in the SB wrt risk/reward.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:26 pm to RandySavage
Coach b is .500 against Les Miles and had Tim Tebow for 4 of their 6 meetings. He was also 0-2 against Tubs who Auburn fired out of reactionary fear.
This post was edited on 1/23/16 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:34 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Saban would win the BIG every single year now.
I mean, it's been what, a little over a year?
Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:43 pm to narddogg81
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the other fled the sec by faking medical conditions to avoid playing the other. Coach b will forever coach a's bitch
It's almost like the Sugar Bowl last year didn't happen at all
Posted on 1/23/16 at 5:20 pm to montanagator
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OSU has to be perfect
In their title year, they lost to a mediocre VT team that finished 7-6. So your premise needs some tweaking.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 5:32 pm to BhamDore
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Coach b is .500 against Les Miles and had Tim Teboe for 4 of their 6 meetings. He was also 0-2 against Tubs who Auburn fired out of reactionary fear.
Pretty sure coach a and coach b have a .500 record against each other and coach a has lost 2 in a row to Hugh Freeze.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 5:36 pm to RandySavage
I mean was this thread started to make it seem that Meyer was not giving Saban enough credit?
Meyer grew up idolizing Woody Hayes, so he will never say someone was better than him. Meyer believes Hayes changed the lives of young men more than any other coach in cfb history.
Meyer grew up idolizing Woody Hayes, so he will never say someone was better than him. Meyer believes Hayes changed the lives of young men more than any other coach in cfb history.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 5:36 pm to BuckeyeFan87
quote:I was assuming he'd switch places with Meyer in this situation. If they were both in the same league, they'd obviously take turns beating each other.
I mean, it's been what, a little over a year?
Posted on 1/23/16 at 5:37 pm to Buckeye06
quote:Of all the things Meyer admires in a coach, changing kids' lives has to be close to the bottom.
Meyer grew up idolizing Woody Hayes, so he will never say someone was better than him. Meyer believes Hayes changed the lives of young men more than any other coach in cfb history.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 5:40 pm to Kcoyote
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Agree, but having Tim Tebow at one school and 3 NFL QBs on one roster at another helps a ton.
That's not to say he didn't earn it, he absolutely did. He's a fantastic coach, and extremely young with three titles. Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't end up with more titles than Saban just based off where he is now and his age. That's assuming he doesn't go to the NFL or something.
You think Ohio State had three NFL caliber QBs last season?
Posted on 1/23/16 at 5:41 pm to AHM21
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Can anyone really argue that Meyer left the SEC because he knew he couldn't consistently beat Saban? That has to count for something.
Yeah, I can argue that. Meyer quit Florida because he had significant health problems. He wasn't running from Saban or the SEC anymore than Saban was running away from those big bad NFL coaches.
Guys like Saban and Meyer are competitors. They're not running from competition. What's the matter with you?
Posted on 1/23/16 at 5:50 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Of all the things Meyer admires in a coach, changing kids' lives has to be close to the bottom.
Just because he doesn't practice is doesn't mean he doesn't admire it. Those are 2 different things completely
Posted on 1/23/16 at 5:54 pm to RandySavage
Savage, you're one stupid son of a bitch.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 5:58 pm to RollTide1987
Before Meyer is done he will be the GOAT. Saban has benefited greatly from a very bad east during his run and the SECW wasn't always top heavy and OM, MSU were average at best. When UF and the east comes back Bamas reign will falter. The west has only been great the last 3 years.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 6:01 pm to Bench McElroy
Saban is a lot like Bear, in that he adapts to the changing of the game and doesn't get stuck trying to do the same thing and expecting results to remain the same. Except for man coverage against running QB's.. lol
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