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Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:08 pm to tmjones2
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:08 pm to tmjones2
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I don't understand why LSU fans are so convinced that a guy with 12 career solo tackles and 3 sacks coming off an ACL injury is going to be a top 10 pick next year.
Didn't 1 person post that?
Again, projecting this far out is a total crapshoot.
Bryce Love was going to be a top back coming out this year after his junior season in 2017, he stunk and fell to mid-rounds.
Drew Lock was going to be one of the Top QBs off the board, he fell to 2nd round.
Greedy was supposed to be one of the 1st CBs taken, fell to 2nd round.
A lot of shite can change or even unexpected things can happen between now and the draft in 2020.
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:09 pm to RD Dawg
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And you don't seem to grasp that multiple NFL scouts think he has 1st round talent...my entire point.
I said several pages back I could see him going in the 1sat, just not the Top 10 picks. Again, you're going WAY overboard on people's opinion. Projecting the draft is a total crapshoot a year out.
Comments like "unless he lays a huge egg no way he goes lower than Top 10"
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:18 pm to Montgomery Hill
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It does for the NFL
You know this how?So it outweighs NC game or the OU game?
Do tell about your vast experience as a NFL scout/talent evaluater.
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Fromm is what you refer to as a game manager.
Please stop with this bullshite.The offense he played in wasn't remotely close to what Mayfield or Mahomes played in college.
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Doesn't change the fact that Fromm isn't a Top 10/15 pick until he can win games by himself.
LMAO...no QB wins games "by himself" How many did Daniel Jones win "by himself" at Duke?
Sounds like your perfect QB coming out of CFB would have been Johnny Football,amiright?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:21 pm to RD Dawg
Daniel Jones at Duke didn't have tons of talent.
That is why NFL teams were impressed with him. Plus he has a great arm and is very intelligent.
Fromm most likely is not leaving after this year. All of this is moot.
I don't see why Georgia fans think this guy is a Top 10 pick. Don't see it. Some guy from Bleacher Report isn't changing that.
That is why NFL teams were impressed with him. Plus he has a great arm and is very intelligent.
Fromm most likely is not leaving after this year. All of this is moot.
I don't see why Georgia fans think this guy is a Top 10 pick. Don't see it. Some guy from Bleacher Report isn't changing that.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:21 pm to thunderbird1100
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Again, you're going WAY overboard on people's opinion.
And your going way overboard on judging him off one game.
People's opinions?You mean NFL scouts who get paid to evaluate players?
Sorry,I'll take their opinion over message board NFL talent evaluators any day.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:27 pm to Montgomery Hill
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Daniel Jones at Duke didn't have tons of talent.
Doesn't matter...he should have won games "by himself"...your words not mine.
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Some guy from Bleacher Report isn't changing that.
Never relied on one "guy from Bleach Report" to back up my argument...and it's not "Georgia fans" that are projecting him to be a top 10 draft pick.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:32 pm to RD Dawg
You don't think Jones is the reason why Duke has been winning.
I am not talking about 11-1. I am talking about a QB making the plays when the games are tough.
For the most part UGA steamrolls everyone. Fromm sits back on playaction and makes the throws.
But that is all based on the OL and Running game.
Not based on Fromm.
When the games are tough and defenses are shooting the gaps and preventing UGA from running the ball Fromm should be able to step up and take over the game and win the game or at least make it competitive.
I am not talking about 11-1. I am talking about a QB making the plays when the games are tough.
For the most part UGA steamrolls everyone. Fromm sits back on playaction and makes the throws.
But that is all based on the OL and Running game.
Not based on Fromm.
When the games are tough and defenses are shooting the gaps and preventing UGA from running the ball Fromm should be able to step up and take over the game and win the game or at least make it competitive.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:42 pm to RD Dawg
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And your going way overboard on judging him off one game.
I'm not sure why you keep spinning this narrative, not once have I ever judged him off 1 game this entire thread, stop pushing that. You oringially assumed becuas eI was an LSU fan I had only ever seen him play against us. NOT TRUE, again, I live in ATL and watch most UGA games with my UGA friends all the time. Mentioned this already. I gave plenty of examples beyond 1 game why I dont think Fromm is a Top 10 pick right now.
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People's opinions?You mean NFL scouts who get paid to evaluate players?
The same guys again, who are ROUTINELY way off on draft projections a year out. You act like it's a science, it's not, they are routinely way off on a ton of players this far out. Have you ever paid attention to mocks this far out? Heck, even mocks mid-season tend to be pretty far off on many guys.
Look at this one from OCTOBER last year (mid season)
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:47 pm to Montgomery Hill
Jones fell into that "Intelligent, tall, huge arm'd" category Josh Allen did. Fromm isn't really any of those, maybe a smart guy (one of smartest in room, probably not), who knows, but certainly not tall or huge arm. NFL teams will fall in love with that because they do and overdraft even if they didnt have stellar college careers.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:05 pm to thunderbird1100
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I gave plenty of examples
"Plenty examples" of what? He threw 30 TD's with 6 pix last year with around 68% completion rate.Did have some bad moments?
Sure,just like Tua and Herbert and also plays in a completely different offense.
No idea why this is so hard to digest.
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who are ROUTINELY way off
"ROUTINELY"? So you mean they're wrong almost all of the time?Do you really think NFL scouts would be employed that long if they were "routinely way off"?
I get it...the only full game you watched Fromm was against LSU and you already made up your mind.And I bet you're convinced Tua is top 5 because you lost to em by 29.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:14 pm to Montgomery Hill
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Fromm sits back on playaction and makes the throws.
Beyond hilarious...I could only wish that was the case.
Once again,Chaney continually put him in 3rd in long passing situations where EVERYBODY knew he was going to throw and he still completed almost 68% of his passes.
I'm assuming you're a Texas fan because you continually make the "shooting the gaps" reference and you guys obviously showed us looks that you really hadn't used much of the year and Chaney was completely unprepaired.
Did you see how many play actions we threw? Almost none and they were wide open.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:15 pm to RD Dawg
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"Plenty examples" of what?
Go back and read again, I'm not going to repeat myself all over again, my point was you pigenoned holed me immediately into "well you only ever saw him play 1 game against LSU" and apparently still are spewing that shite when that's simply not true. I gave many reasons why I simply dont see him as a Top 10 pick right now. From general to very specific. I've seen MOST of the games he's played in, again, because of my unique situation living in ATL and having a ton of UGA friends.
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"ROUTINELY"? So you mean they're wrong almost all of the time?
Try and not leave off relevant information like:
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ROUTINELY way off on draft projections a year out.
Certainly as the draft nears, projections become clearer, but I even linked up a SI projection from mid-season last year that's laughably off. Again, it's very much a crap shoot this far out, and even during the season itself can be. A LOT can happen. All these draft projections this far out ever show is this guys are guessing on a lot of things as much as any football education person can.
To say something like Fromm would have to basically fall apart to fall out the Top 10 is completely laughable when CLEARLY there's plenty of us out there who think he shouldn't be in there to begin with
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:15 pm to thunderbird1100
I'm not arguing where Fromm ends up, but to argue that there is zero chance he ends up in the top 5-10 is just willfully ignoring pickups like #2 overall, Mitch Trubisky in 2017.
He was 6'2" - Fromm is 6'2"
222 lbs - Fromm is approx 220
From his draft profile:
He *might* have a bigger arm, but most of the notes on the guy were not talking about a rocket arm, rather more of a "sufficient arm for what you need"... see:
Fromm has been complimented often for his deeper field side out throws for example.
He was 6'2" - Fromm is 6'2"
222 lbs - Fromm is approx 220
From his draft profile:
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He ranked fifth in the country with a 68.0 completion percentage, threw 30 touchdowns against just six picks, and averaged 288 passing yards per contest. The dual-threat part of his game also came out in 2016, as he ran for 308 yards (net of lost sack yardage) and five scores.
He *might* have a bigger arm, but most of the notes on the guy were not talking about a rocket arm, rather more of a "sufficient arm for what you need"... see:
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Throws passes from balanced platforms and rarely defaults to an off-balance throw unnecessarily. Has all the arm you need. NFL call sheets will be wide open with Trubisky at the helm. Can dial up deep field-side outs with accuracy. Ball comes humming out of his hand when he needs to spike his velocity. Arm talent to whip a catchable throw from difficult angles to targets outside the numbers. Makes the standard "pitch and catch" throws with consistent accuracy. Ball usually comes out on time. His 62.1 completion percentage on intermediate throws easily outpaces the top quarterbacks in this draft. Possesses get-away quickness to avoid sudden pressure from a-gap blitzers with the speed to damage the defensive cause once he leaves the pocket.
Fromm has been complimented often for his deeper field side out throws for example.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:21 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I'm not arguing where Fromm ends up, but to argue that there is zero chance he ends up in the top 5-10 is just willfully ignoring pickups like #2 overall, Mitch Trubisky in 2017.
I never once said he has zero chance, just said I dont think he's a Top 10 pick right now. In fact I seem to be one the few sensible ones arguing it's a total crap shoot trying to project the draft a year out
It's not just and only about size, Trubisky to me made more wow plays than Fromm ever has, and his UNC team LEANED on him quite a bit more than UGA ever has on Fromm. He had 1000 yards more passing than Fromm did in 1 less game. Fromm can change my view, but at this point, I'm not buying into him being a top 10 pick.
Also, Fromm was 6'1.25" measured up, Trubisky 6'2.25", not a big difference, but Fromm does get a little more pigeonholed into the "short" category, not that it seems to matter much anymore in the days of Baker and Kyler
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:23 pm to remaster916
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8 1st rounders for Bama
Congrats on the literacy.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:41 pm to thunderbird1100
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I never once said he has zero chance, just said I dont think he's a Top 10 pick right now.
You're asking people to take you up on a bet on whether he makes it or not, so clearly you're thinking the odds are in your favor to be willing to take that bet... semantics around "zero chance" aside.
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Trubisky to me made more wow plays than Fromm ever has
This is just sample size bias then. I watched a lot of both. Nothing about Trubisky was "more wow"... He was a fine player, but again, just not a special QB. FWIW, I didn't think he should have been taken in the top 10 at the time either and certainly not above Mahomes... (hindsight makes that look like a pretty good opinion)
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UNC team LEANED on him quite a bit more than UGA ever has on Fromm
Not sure what this has to do with capability of the player. UNC had fine RBs in Hood/Logan, they just had a heavier pass to run ratio. So sure, if you choose to throw it more often, it seems like you are leaning on your QB... Smart on the other hand has made no bones on preferring a balanced or even run-heavy approach.
Trubisky had one season of "real" production as a RSJr, compared to Jake's 2 as a true freshman/sophomore with another incoming.
Not trying to say the 2 are equivalent or that Jake should be taken #2 overall, just that the draft is an inexact science in general, and there is a better than decent chance that Fromm could go top 10 given past pickups at the position... Hell, one of the deciding factors that we can't really predict is who the hell ends up where in the draft.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:09 pm to fibonaccisquared
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You're asking people to take you up on a bet on whether he makes it or not, so clearly you're thinking the odds are in your favor to be willing to take that bet... semantics around "zero chance" aside.
Ummm, what? You clearly have me confused with someone else
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:13 pm to thunderbird1100
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Ummm, what? You clearly have me confused with someone else
Perhaps?
There were several LSU posters arguing "anti-Fromm" positions. Didn't go back to see who said what. Don't care enough to look back so will assume you know what you did/didn't post.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:59 pm to Montgomery Hill
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should.
It does for the NFL.
Not from single games in which there were extenuating circumstances.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 5:38 pm to fibonaccisquared
I said the almost same as thunder. I don’t believe he will go top 10. If he has a much better year this year though it’s possible
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