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re: Mac Jones is objectively better than Trevor Lawrence
Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:06 pm to MaroonMonsoon
Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:06 pm to MaroonMonsoon
Its absolutely ridiculous he ended in 2nd. It certainly was noted voted based off of performance.
When did they vote on this?
When did they vote on this?
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:29 pm to MaroonMonsoon
Mac had only two games where his rating was lower than Lawrence's season rating.
Alabama won those games by a combined 115-6.
Alabama won those games by a combined 115-6.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:53 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Its BS.
Top 4 should have finished:
Smith
Mac
Trask
Harris
Lawrence was the biggest hype, anti- vote in history. Worst #2 EVER
Top 4 should have finished:
Smith
Mac
Trask
Harris
Lawrence was the biggest hype, anti- vote in history. Worst #2 EVER
Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:54 pm to Tigerbait357
They should show all voters rankings, so we can shame them
Posted on 1/6/21 at 1:24 am to MaroonMonsoon
Lawrence was invited because of his college career as a whole. Najee Harris and Zach Wilson both should've been finalists instead.
Posted on 1/6/21 at 1:36 am to skrayper
Anyone else think that he's going to turn into a more mobile Stafford? A guy who the scouts rave about, but who as an NFL quarterback is not good enough to win anything but too good to be replaced.
Posted on 1/6/21 at 2:17 am to MaroonMonsoon
I am not incredibly high on Trevor Lawrence. I think a lot of his perception was built on his WRs torching Savion Smith so bad he faked an injury to get off the field, I think what ‘19 OSU, ‘19 LSU, and ‘20 OSU showed is that if you can get him moving in the pocket that he’s not as effective of a thrower who gets kinda panicky. He’s a good QB runner but not a great QB scrambler. His first step when he decides he’s gonna bail and run isn’t like his predecessor’s first step.
Comparing him to Watson, I think the difference is that improv/secondary offense ability. Watson didn’t have good OLs either. The only good OL Clemson has had in their run is 2018 and coincidentally they let TL stand tall in the pocket and pick apart defenses. Watson is a great in the NFL and was a legend in college because of what he can do when the pocket breaks down. He stays cool, has that sense of pressure, keeps his eyes processing the defense, but will shift gears and gobble up yards right when he senses the rush closing. Lawrence doesn’t have that and essentially he would’ve never played LSU if OSU had a better plan to contain the QB runs in the 2019 game (which they did in the 2020 game).
Is he a first round talent? Sure. I think you probably should draft him 1st or 2nd overall depending how you feel about Fields. I just don’t think he’s going to end up being a star in the NFL like Deshaun Watson.
Comparing him to Watson, I think the difference is that improv/secondary offense ability. Watson didn’t have good OLs either. The only good OL Clemson has had in their run is 2018 and coincidentally they let TL stand tall in the pocket and pick apart defenses. Watson is a great in the NFL and was a legend in college because of what he can do when the pocket breaks down. He stays cool, has that sense of pressure, keeps his eyes processing the defense, but will shift gears and gobble up yards right when he senses the rush closing. Lawrence doesn’t have that and essentially he would’ve never played LSU if OSU had a better plan to contain the QB runs in the 2019 game (which they did in the 2020 game).
Is he a first round talent? Sure. I think you probably should draft him 1st or 2nd overall depending how you feel about Fields. I just don’t think he’s going to end up being a star in the NFL like Deshaun Watson.
Posted on 1/6/21 at 2:33 am to topcat88
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Uhhhh drug problem also lol
His “I don’t give a shite problem” was the bigger issue
Posted on 1/6/21 at 5:45 am to MaroonMonsoon
Both struggle to win 7 games at State
Posted on 1/6/21 at 5:49 am to Chad4Bama
It certainly didn't for Gus
Posted on 1/6/21 at 5:52 am to SummerOfGeorge
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In 1996? Wuerfful. Peyton threw 20 TD/12 INT in 1996.
Know something funny? Wuerfull won the Heisman in 1996 but finished #2 in Passer Rating. Know who finished #1?
#1 - Steve Sarkisian, BYU (173.6)
#2 - Danny Wuerffel, Florida (170.6)
Yet Manning was by far the better pro. That will be Lawrence (Manning) and Mac (Sark and Wuerffel).
Posted on 1/6/21 at 6:09 am to topcat88
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Does Lawrence have any problems with dope?
I'd call that a BIG yes...
Posted on 1/6/21 at 6:16 am to MaroonMonsoon
What those stats don’t show us YACS. Bama throws a lot of short balls that the receivers turn into big gains. Shorter throwers are easier to be accurate , less chance for sacks, less chance for something bad to happen.
Mac throws a great deep ball, he just doesn’t do it often, Bama s only takes a deep shot when they have everything set up. Which is great, but that’s not your offense.. you only throw on play action ... everything else is short.
If your honest.. TL might have a great NFL career, he still struggle in a messy pocket. I don’t see Mac Jones as anything more than a back up, the skill sets of today’s NEW QBs has a need to be more mobile; he just doesn’t have that.
Mac throws a great deep ball, he just doesn’t do it often, Bama s only takes a deep shot when they have everything set up. Which is great, but that’s not your offense.. you only throw on play action ... everything else is short.
If your honest.. TL might have a great NFL career, he still struggle in a messy pocket. I don’t see Mac Jones as anything more than a back up, the skill sets of today’s NEW QBs has a need to be more mobile; he just doesn’t have that.
Posted on 1/6/21 at 6:18 am to 3rddownonthe8
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I don’t see Mac Jones as anything more than a back up, the skill sets of today’s NEW QBs has a need to be more mobile; he just doesn’t have that.
One of the slowest and most unathletic QBs in the history of the NFL just threw for over 4,600 yards and 40 TDs at age 43. You don't need to be mobile to succeed in the pros.
This post was edited on 1/6/21 at 6:19 am
Posted on 1/6/21 at 6:35 am to MaroonMonsoon
Both guys won’t do S in the NFL. Jones will be a backup. Goldy Locks will be a bust.
Posted on 1/6/21 at 6:41 am to Crimson K
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How about Jamarcus Russel then.
You forget this?
Posted on 1/6/21 at 6:50 am to 3rddownonthe8
Delete
This post was edited on 1/6/21 at 6:52 am
Posted on 1/6/21 at 6:52 am to WilliamTaylor21
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revor also has 200+ rushing yards and 8 rushing TDs.
Trevor:
- 3,359 total yards
- 32 TDs
In 10 games.
336 yards per game, 3.2 TDs per game
Max:
- 4,039 total yards
- 37 TDs
In 12 games
336 yards per game, 3.0 TDs per game
Trevor beats A1abana again
In the ACC. Your swing was a miss.
Posted on 1/6/21 at 7:11 am to MaroonMonsoon
Did Trevor have the receivers this year that Mac had? Hmmm
Posted on 1/6/21 at 7:23 am to RollTide1987
You think Mac is going to be Tom Brady!! Ok..
The league is changing.. you don’t have to acknowledge it, but it is. The offenses are imitating the college game. I do not think any franchise will want to build around him.
The league is changing.. you don’t have to acknowledge it, but it is. The offenses are imitating the college game. I do not think any franchise will want to build around him.
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