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re: Looks like Freeze won't be back in the SEC
Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:55 am to DownSouthJukin
Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:55 am to DownSouthJukin
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The Rise, Fall and Redemption of Hugh Freeze.
What if I told you there was a Bible-thumping SEC football coach who dared the NCAA to investigate his school, so it did, and then got caught with escort services’ telephone numbers on his cell phone and was forced to resign? What if I then told you he was hired by the most conservative, religious college two years later as its head football coach?
You can’t even make this shite up. Simply unreal.
He’ll be back to a P5 team in the next 5 years. Possibly even SEC.
He will be a great ambassador at liberty with his passion for our Lord.
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:56 am to ngadawg250
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I know most on tRant will laugh at the idea of redemption, but I suspect they take it seriously in Lynchburg, VA.
Few laugh at the idea of redemption. Redemption is a real thing, and it's a blessing.
It doesn't erase the consequences of the transgression.
An important part of redemption is a full confession of the transgression, too....not a glossed over, understated, or generalized request for forgiveness.
We don't, and probably never will know the full scope of what went on with him at Ole Miss. It's pretty clear that what we do know is the tip of the iceberg, because he otherwise would not have walked away quietly from that contract.
Dude has some pretty serious character flaws. But then again, a lot of us do. The difference is how you portray yourself. When you preach holiness and Godliness, you're setting yourself up for failure.
This gig is probably perfect for him, but I doubt his ego allows him to stay there long. He's going to want to pursue a big time job at some point.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 9:06 am to ngadawg250
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know most on tRant will laugh at the idea of redemption, but I suspect they take it seriously in Lynchburg, VA.
Well, I've avoided getting into a theological discussion on tRant, but I'll share this one thing.
Years ago CHF gave a talk where he preached the "redemptive qualities of man". This was at the height of his popularity, so he wasn't trying to improve his image or anything. The problem though, is that man does not have redemptive qualities. Man has qualities that are worth redeeming, but Man needs redemption because he can't redeem himself. Nothing man could do would be an adequate fulfillment of God's covenant. That's why Jesus had to intervene.
That sermon was when I started to really question the base and heart of CHF. Maybe I was over critical and misunderstood his message, but his theology always bothered me.
tl;dr I know, I know
Posted on 12/7/18 at 9:17 am to Drebin
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An important part of redemption is a full confession of the transgression
The only redemption I was referring to was what God can grant and the consequences (eternal) of that.
The rest of us can accept his apology, or not. As you said, the consequences (temporal) will be based on that.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 9:18 am to PorkSammich
"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Escorts"
Hugh Freeze new mantra
Hugh Freeze new mantra
Posted on 12/7/18 at 9:25 am to ngadawg250
It’s not about not forgiving or redemption; it’s that he put himself on a moral pedestal and used his faith as a crutch in recruiting as well.
Forgiveness is something we all need; not all of us use our faith to advance our career.
Forgiveness is something we all need; not all of us use our faith to advance our career.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 9:30 am to David Ricky
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Volquest reported last night that something scared Pruitt and Fulmer off.
Holy shite. Fulmer is so dumb it took him ‘till last night to figure a guy that left a program in flames may be a risk? Either Fat is mentally retarded or this is some terrible reporting.
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 9:32 am to ngadawg250
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The only redemption I was referring to was what God can grant and the consequences (eternal) of that.
I agree with you that God is the only source of redemption. I wasn't trying to argue otherwise.
My point is that he really put himself out there spiritually. He's never fully accounted for what happened to all the folks that looked up to him for what he presented himself to be. He hurt a lot more people than just his family.
He can be redeemed and eternally set, but the consequences of his actions (distrust, losing his job, not able to get another one, etc.) are going to continue to follow him.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 9:34 am to r2d2
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Either Far it mentally retarded or this is some terrible reporting.
Bit of irony here.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 9:35 am to BamaRoo
several typos. Can’t see shite on a small phone. frick.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 9:53 am to r2d2
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several typos. Can’t see shite on a small phone. frick.
Forgiven.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:47 am to Orion6
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he put himself on a moral pedestal and used his faith as a crutch in recruiting as well.
I can certainly agree that that is a very bad thing to do.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:52 am to Drebin
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I wasn't trying to argue otherwise
No, I knew you weren't.
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but the consequences of his actions (distrust, losing his job, not able to get another one, etc.) are going to continue to follow him.
Yes, that could prove to be a very high mountain to climb. I hope is able to do it though.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:31 pm to ngadawg250
I’m all about forgiveness, but that doesn’t mean he should placed in a position to offend again. If someone stole from the church, I would elect him to be treasurer. He certainly shouldn’t be allowed to preach in churches since a preacher should be “blameless” which doesn’t mean without sin but having a good name with no scandals attached to it.
God doesn’t care too much for hypocrites and he made his name a laughingstock and a byword for a reason.
God doesn’t care too much for hypocrites and he made his name a laughingstock and a byword for a reason.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:35 pm to PickupAutist
You cannot make this up. Ian and Freeze at the same place, means that Liberty will be the most watched program in the NCAA the next few years
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:35 pm to PorkSammich
He will be back in 3 years or less !!!
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:55 pm to Vecchio Cane
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Well, I've avoided getting into a theological discussion on tRant, but I'll share this one thing.
Years ago CHF gave a talk where he preached the "redemptive qualities of man". This was at the height of his popularity, so he wasn't trying to improve his image or anything. The problem though, is that man does not have redemptive qualities. Man has qualities that are worth redeeming, but Man needs redemption because he can't redeem himself. Nothing man could do would be an adequate fulfillment of God's covenant. That's why Jesus had to intervene.
That sermon was when I started to really question the base and heart of CHF. Maybe I was over critical and misunderstood his message, but his theology always bothered me.
tl;dr I know, I know
I can respect this.
I am always suspect of anyone trading on their claimed faith outside of those in the pulpit. Witnessing, testifying or discipleship should be done off of company time so as to avoid the appearance of using it to your business advantage. And that goes for everyone from plumbers to college football coaches.
I also avoid anyone that advertises with any religious symbols, sayings or verses.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 1:29 pm to DawgsLife
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This is the correct answer. Some people are just ready to jump on anything negative when it comes to Christians, and don't understand that true Christians are about forgiveness and redemption.
Odd, that people like to point fingers at Christians for being judgemental, yet when Christians forgive it is non Christians that usually say no forgiveness should be given.
Look, this might be valid if say he'd been out of football for longer or he'd been just a regular guy. But when you are the coach of 100s of young men and it turns out what you are preaching is basically a sham, and it also turns out you are trying to point the finger at another (Nutt) for problems you caused, then it becomes clear that you have lost your honor (if you ever had any to begin with).
If what the other poster above says is true, that the AD that hired him is also the product of the Baylor sex scandal, then it sounds more like collusion than redemption at Liberty U. How could a President/Chancellor make that call? I would not be able to sleep at night. What do you tell the parents of these young men when they ask about these hires? "It's all in God's hands, Mom and Dad, these are fine men leading your kids and Grace will guide them."
They are still radioactive because they broke a public trust at Baylor and Ole Miss.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 2:57 pm to Vecchio Cane
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"redemptive qualities of man"
I wasn't intending a theological discussion either, so in this we agree. I also see your point in the topic of his sermon (redemptive qualities of man). Based on my understanding, there is no such thing.
I guess I was responding to the need for some that he somehow redeem himself in their eyes. That will be a tough row to hoe, but one he brought on himself. It does seem fitting to me that a Christian university attempt to assist him doing this.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 3:05 pm to PickupAutist
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God doesn’t care too much for hypocrites
I would tend more to say that He doesn't care too much for hypocrisy, but hypocrites, he forgives. I hope so anyway, for my sake.
Sorry, I didn't mean to get this far down the theological road.
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