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re: Longtime Bama Fans Rank Richard Todd All Time along with RB's Musso and W Jackson.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 8:55 pm to RD Dawg
Posted on 7/5/21 at 8:55 pm to RD Dawg
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No doubt a different era.More white kids participated (as population %) and they also came from "hungry" and more modest backgrounds.
Western PA was a hotbed for CFB athletes 40+ years ago and many were one generation removed from the coal mines and steel mills...does wonders for a kids motivation.
Good points.
Ultimately, though, (and not that you don’t know this) it’s a comparative lack of raw speed and athleticism that has made whites scarce at RB, WR, and anywhere on defense.
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 9:09 pm to Globetrotter747
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it’s a comparative lack of raw speed and athleticism that has made whites scarce at RB, WR, and anywhere on defense.
Sorry,gonna disagree.Plenty of white kids with "raw athleticism" especially when it comes to playing FB.Just not enough kids that are hungry enough, have the raw desire or are encouraged to play.
Look at all those Pacific Island kids that are now playing CFB and the NFL at a high level.FB is a huge part of the culture along with a desire to get out of the situation they're in.
Nature plays a small part but nurture plays a far bigger role IMO.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:24 pm to RD Dawg
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Just not enough kids that are hungry enough, have the raw desire or are encouraged to play.
It doesn’t matter how hungry you are if you just don’t have the wheels. Black athletes are faster and more explosive than white athletes, and that’s a fact. The few white athletes that play at a high level at RB, WR, defense at big time programs generally have great intangibles that give them a boost. They aren’t genetic freaks.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:47 pm to Globetrotter747
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Black athletes are faster and more explosive than white athletes, and that’s a fact.
Sorry I don't believe its "fact" and there's considerable debate about the subject.
Where are all the American born AA athletes in MLB? How come numbers are declining? Hint:Has nothing to do with "athletic ability"
How come many whites from Eastern Europe have had success in the NBA? Better "athletes" than white Americans? C'mon
How bout Pacific Islander's success in FB? Are they naturally better FB players than other races?
ALL those examples point to nurture and culture FAR more than any perceived "natural" advantage.
The myth of inherent athleticism.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 12:03 am
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:11 pm to VBFlorida
Nobody challenges Musso.
Nobody.
Nobody.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:19 pm to RD Dawg
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How come many whites from Eastern Europe have had success in the NBA?
Sports at any level today are filled with players that have come up through youth leagues, middle school, high school.
Suppose for arguments sake average black kids mature faster. This mean at any youth sport age level, many black kids will be bigger faster stronger than the same aged white kid.
This also means the white kids will be washed out of the developmental programs because of that differential. Maybe the white kid would ultimately be just as fast etc., but he will be sidelined so early that his potential would never be recognized except in extraordinary circumstances. .
But in Europe this washout doesn’t happen for obvious reasons, and good athletes can play age group, grow and mature until they reach their full potential. Hence lots of white European NBAers.
Of course this is all purely a thought exercise… we all know that everyone is born equal.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:58 pm to Jacknola
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I always thought he was a far better pro-style QB than wishbone.
Well, duh, what was the giveaway for you? Was it the 20,000 NFL yards or the 124 TD passes? Or was it being drafted in the first round?
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 7/6/21 at 2:12 am to VBFlorida
Posted on 7/6/21 at 4:51 am to BamaGradinTn
Comments loved Musso wasn't he from NJ?. Jackson was a great talent.
The white debate should end with a player like Kevin Turner
He and Hannah brothers are Alabama football!
Why did Todd ever had to share time with Rutledge?
J Hannah and D Stephenson GOAT!
The white debate should end with a player like Kevin Turner
He and Hannah brothers are Alabama football!
Why did Todd ever had to share time with Rutledge?
J Hannah and D Stephenson GOAT!
Posted on 7/6/21 at 5:32 am to VBFlorida
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Comments loved Musso wasn't he from NJ?.
Johnny Musso played at Banks high school in Birmingham while Pat Sullivan played at John Carroll.
New Jersey?
Posted on 7/6/21 at 6:18 am to RD Dawg
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Where are all the American born AA athletes in MLB?
Raw athleticism is not as big an advantage in baseball as football and basketball.
And look at track and field. I don’t know that a white person has ever broken 10 seconds in the 100. Dozens (if not hundreds) of blacks have.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 7:54 am to Globetrotter747
Would love to get in on this discussion based on my own personal experience where the 3 fastest athletes I played with or against were white. Keeping in mind that I played in College and Professionally. I could write pages on what I have seen and experienced over the years. Just don’t have the time as I’m battening down the hatches due to possible hurricane. Maybe later.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 8:58 am to Globetrotter747
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Raw athleticism is not as big an advantage in baseball as football and basketball
We can debate if hand eye coordination is raw athleticism or not but the numbers of AA in MLB have declined precipitously since the 70's and 80's and it's not because there's a lack of athletes or athleticism to draw from.
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I don’t know that a white person has ever broken 10 seconds in the 100. Dozens (if not hundreds) of blacks have
You might wanna check out this guy.Obviously the exception but interesting story regardless.
LINK
UGA's Matt Boling
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 9:14 am
Posted on 7/6/21 at 9:13 am to VBFlorida
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Why did Todd ever had to share time with Rutledge?
Gary Rutledge was a very good wishbone QB and Todd had the better arm. Coach Bryant was preaching depth on offense and for good reason. Against a pretty good Tennessee team, both Todd and Rutledge were unable to go and some kid named Robert Fraley (The Winchester Rifle)led BAMA in a great win in the series.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 9:15 am to RD Dawg
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We can debate if hand eye coordination is raw athleticism
I’m talking about speed, jumping ability. The physical freaks of nature.
And I have heard of the Boiling kid. His 100 meter PR is 10.11. He’s got some wheels, but he’s very rare and still not world class.
My point isn’t to diminish white athletes, as I was once a white athlete. I just think a lot of the ‘60 and ‘70s white standouts wouldn’t have been if the black athlete had emerged sooner.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 9:30 am to Globetrotter747
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I wonder how many greats from the ‘70s and earlier would have even received a scholarship to a program like Alabama if the black athlete had been as widely recruited then as now..
I played against ( term used loosely) as he was a couple of years older than me from Heidelberg Ms. He was a stud running back in high school but was a 4 year letterman as a down defensive lineman for the Bear. He weighed 180 ringing wet. Name was Terry Rowell.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 9:44 am to Diamondawg
Tommy Casanova knocked Musso coo coo....
Posted on 7/6/21 at 9:44 am to Globetrotter747
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talking about speed, jumping ability. The physical freaks of nature.
I get what your saying but you still havent addressed the reason for the DECLINE of AA MLB players from the 70's and 80's. Its pretty clear if you think about it.
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He’s got some wheels, but he’s very rare and still not world class
He made the Olympic team and I also stated he was the exception.
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just think a lot of the ‘60 and ‘70s white standouts wouldn’t have been if the black athlete had emerged sooner.
Lots of factors played a part in the emergence of black athletes beyond "natural abilities" IMO
Posted on 7/6/21 at 9:48 am to Jacknola
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Heck, against Va Tech 8 different RBs scored
If you’re talking about the 77-6 beat down at Denny Stadium, I was at that game with my dad.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 10:39 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
quote:Musso's then-girlfriend, now wife, was my next door apt. neighbor while he was in school. He was always over there, and he'd play with my kid in the front yard, whenever my boy was outside. He was/is a nice (and bright) guy. We often all cooked out front at the grill, and you'd have thought that he was just another guy.
#22 was my favorite Bama RB of all time then again I am old.
If Johnny had been a step faster he would be in the NFL Hall of Fame but if he had been a step slower he would have been in the Million Dollar Band
PS- Coach Bryant really loved him,too!
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