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re: List the top 5 SEC coaches right now in football.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 2:37 pm to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 2/7/21 at 2:37 pm to BamaGradinTn
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In your title you said "right now". Mullen is ahead of Kirb
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 2:41 pm to GeauxRN
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Kirby isn’t a top 5 coach
Name another sec coach that has multiple NY6 bowl game wins, national title title run and an sec championship. Don’t be ignorant. They just won the Peach Bowl. He’s #2. Jimbo might be tied for 3rd now with O depending on how 2021 goes.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 2:43 pm to djsdawg
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Because that’s who we fired and who we hired. Don’t be stupid
What's stupid is cherry picking to validate your flawed argument.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 2:46 pm to GulfCoastOutlaw
None of these coaches have a shot at winning a title besides Saban.
Fisher’s best years are behind him, the 2020 Aggies played no one and got destroyed by the one good team they played.
Orgeron caught lightning in a bottle with the best offense of all time. That won’t happen again.
Kirby has the best shot out of all of them to be consistently good but I doubt he’ll ever put it all together.
Mullen is a joke who should be at Boise State or a Group5 team with no championship pressure. The minute that guy won a division for the first time in 12 years he went out and lost to a god awful LSU team the next week.
Fisher’s best years are behind him, the 2020 Aggies played no one and got destroyed by the one good team they played.
Orgeron caught lightning in a bottle with the best offense of all time. That won’t happen again.
Kirby has the best shot out of all of them to be consistently good but I doubt he’ll ever put it all together.
Mullen is a joke who should be at Boise State or a Group5 team with no championship pressure. The minute that guy won a division for the first time in 12 years he went out and lost to a god awful LSU team the next week.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 2:51 pm to GulfCoastOutlaw
Any top 5 list without Hardin is crap.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 2:53 pm to VagueMessage
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What's stupid is cherry picking to validate your flawed argument.
It’s not cherry picking. It’s what uga literally did.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 3:04 pm to djsdawg
You're comparing the start of one coach's career to the end of another coach's career, and then arbitrarily comparing a five year span vs. an eight year span. That's also literally what just happened. The first five years of their careers are almost indistinguishable: 52–13 and two SEC titles vs. 52–14 with one SEC title. There's been no on-field result to show that Kirby Smart isn't just Mark Richt repackaged.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 3:12 pm to VagueMessage
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You're comparing the start of one coach's career to the end of another coach's career
I am comparing who we fired with who he hired.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 3:25 pm to VagueMessage
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That's also literally what just happened. The first five years of their careers are almost indistinguishable: 52–13 and two SEC titles vs. 52–14 with one SEC title. There's been no on-field result to show that Kirby Smart isn't just Mark Richt repackaged.
Good Lord. How many times haa this been explained on this board?
CMR was one of the most elite 1st time HC's in SEC history as is Kirby.THAT CMR wasn't fired and the ONLY valid comparison one can make is to compare the last 5 years of the ex coach to vs the 1st 5 years of the new coach.
The program,facilities admin support and fan support is LIGHT years ahead of where it was in Richts last 5 years...its not remotely comparable.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 3:33 pm to VagueMessage
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You're comparing the start of one coach's career to the end of another coach's career, and then arbitrarily comparing a five year span vs. an eight year span. That's also literally what just happened. The first five years of their careers are almost indistinguishable: 52–13 and two SEC titles vs. 52–14 with one SEC title. There's been no on-field result to show that Kirby Smart isn't just Mark Richt repackaged.
This is really dumb. I love ragging on UGA as much as the next person but I don’t believe you’re using the word arbitrarily correctly. A program is judged off its recent success so comparing Richt’s 1st 5 years (his most successful) to when he was fired is really pointless and dumb. It’s like pointing out that Les Miles won a championship in 2007 so he shouldn’t be fired in 2016. Richt was arguably the 2nd best coach in the conference in his first 5 years and based on resume, Kirby is probably the second best coach in the conference. I personally don’t think Kirby is a great coach and will never win a ship but I mean his overall resume from 2017 to now is the best in the conference outside of Saban. If LSU is a contender in the future under Orgeron I’d put him ahead but O needs to accomplish something without arguably the best QB of all time on his team.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 3:36 pm to GulfCoastOutlaw
Jimbo just went 8-1 in the SEC without a great deal of talent. Aggies won't have a single player in first round.
Doing a helluva job coaching up guys.
Doing a helluva job coaching up guys.
This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 2/7/21 at 3:44 pm to GulfCoastOutlaw
quote:Saban and his 3 disciples.
1. Saban
2. Jimbo
3. Kirby
4. Kiffin
Posted on 2/7/21 at 4:08 pm to VagueMessage
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The first five years of their careers are almost indistinguishable: 52–13 and two SEC titles vs. 52–14 with one SEC title.
Yet here you are assuming Kirby is suddenly going to fall off like richt did
Posted on 2/7/21 at 5:07 pm to FireDanMullen
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It’s like pointing out that Les Miles won a championship in 2007 so he shouldn’t be fired in 2016.
It's not the same. I'm comparing coaches to similar points in their career. The five years vs. eight is arbitrary, because I'm not sure why the eighth year is the cutoff for comparison. Why was that the decided metric? Why not Kirby's five vs. Richt's last five, if you're going to compare Kirby to end-game Richt? Their body of work overall suggests they're fairly similar coaches. Maybe Kirby will prove that wrong in the next year or two. Until then, I don't know why there's so much mental gymnastics going on to try and prove that Georgia, by results, hasn't made an even trade for head coach quality.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 5:08 pm to VagueMessage
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I'm comparing coaches to similar points in their career
Which isn’t as relevant as comparing what was fired and what was hired.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 5:09 pm to VagueMessage
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Their body of work overall suggests they're fairly similar coaches.
Only if you assume early richt was the same as late richt, which is a stupid assumption
Posted on 2/7/21 at 5:09 pm to djsdawg
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Yet here you are assuming Kirby is suddenly going to fall off like richt did
I am assuming that, because that's what every coach eventually does. When it's going to happen, I don't know. But also, Richt went 9–3 in the regular season the year he parted ways with Georgia, so his "sudden fall off" was really just a bit of stagnation and complacency.
If you believe the first five years aren't the best Kirby is going to do, I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong. But that's just as much speculation as my own stance.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 5:11 pm to VagueMessage
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Richt went 9–3 in the regular season the year he parted ways with Georgia, so his "sudden fall off" was really just a bit of stagnation and complacency.
2015 team was not good. See the final rank.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 5:12 pm to VagueMessage
Fisher had talent but most of it is young
Posted on 2/7/21 at 5:29 pm to GulfCoastOutlaw
Kiffin would be my number 2. The rest will never do shut in the SEC.
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