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re: Let's clear something up...Texas 8&4's 1939 "title" is not a legit title...

Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:29 pm to
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80027 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

In 2003, the top two teams after the regular season were LSU and Oklahoma.


Not according to the official rankings.

AP Poll

1. USC
2. LSU
3. Oklahoma

Coaches Poll

1. USC
2. LSU
3. Oklahoma

Here's an article on how it all failed: LINK

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In the penultimate BCS standings, USC had a comfortable lead on LSU (6.90 vs. 8.43). The Trojans were ranked higher in the human polls and computer rankings and also had better strength-of-schedule ratings. The expectation was that USC would play Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl with LSU left to howl.

But then Boise State beat Hawaii in the final regular-season game of the season in the middle of the Pacific.

Say what?

Exactly right, that's what happened. Combined with Syracuse's 38-12 pasting of Notre Dame, the Tigers got enough of a boost to nudge out USC by .16 of a percentage point, getting Oklahoma as their date, while the Trojans were left with a Rose Bowl berth against No. 4 Michigan.

A confluence of events made this happen, and all of it came from BCS's meddling with its standings:

1. Eliminating margin of victory from all computer formulas: This completely unnecessary step was taken gradually, out of an irrational fear of teams running up the scores to impress computers. By 2003, all BCS computers had agreed to abide by this restriction, in some cases reluctantly.

Because of this, Oklahoma's four-touchdown debacle was weighed the same as a road loss in triple overtime. Since the BCS neglected to remove the voters' eyeballs, the polls appropriately knocked the Sooners down to No. 3. But the computers overwhelmingly still went for Oklahoma.

2. Keeping strength of schedule (SOS) as a component: Strangely, with all the tweaking in the first five years, the BCS never touched this.

First of all, it's hardly an objective tool, almost as arbitrary as the human polls. The formula being used was a poor imitation of the RPI (used by the NCAA basketball selection committee) and called for an absurd division of 25 to produce the SOS number. Besides, all computer rankings have formulas for strength of schedule of their own, so at the very least, it's redundant.

3. If you can't beat them...tank them: Notre Dame was routed by the Trojans, 45-14, in South Bend, so the Irish returned the favor...by getting blown out at Syracuse on the final Saturday of the season. Notre Dame's loss dealt USC's SOS rating a fatal blow. That, combined with Boise State's win over Hawaii, another team beaten by USC earlier in the year, catapulted LSU over USC.

The Tigers, by beating Georgia for the second time in the season, saw their SOS rating jump from 54th to 29th, while USC's held at 37th. LSU edged USC by .30 of a percentage point in the SOS ratings, the difference it needed to seal its hold on the No. 2 spot.

For the record, USC played at Auburn and Notre Dame and played home games against Hawaii and BYU while LSU faced Louisiana-Monroe, Louisiana Tech and I-AA Western Illinois at home and Arizona on the road. Just how LSU's schedule could be considered to be among the top 30 in the country showed the flaw in the SOS ratings.

At the end, USC impressively defeated Michigan, 28-14, in the Rose Bowl and held on to the No. 1 AP ranking and a share of the national championship. In a rather sloppy and uninspired game, LSU defeated Oklahoma, 21-14, for the BCS title—though not without one last bit of drama.

Despite a mandate to vote for the BCS title game-winner No. 1 in the final poll, three coaches (Oregon's Mike Bellotti, Illinois' Ron Turner and South Carolina's Lou Holtz) broke the contractual agreement and cast their No. 1 ballots for USC.
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
20985 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:30 pm to
So is the new insult 1927? I did not realize Tenn won the natty in 1939.
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
123612 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:30 pm to
You can’t handle the truth
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41292 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:31 pm to
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I did not realize Tenn won the natty in 1939.



It is a good thing this is brought to light. A&M was of course stealing valor from the real champion.
Posted by markinkaty
Katy Tx
Member since Dec 2019
4507 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:31 pm to
I don't see a lot of farmers here fighting this dispute.
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31157 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:33 pm to
They’re all shell shocked right now LOL
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41292 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

They’re all shell shocked right now LOL



Farmer is an absolute basket case right now
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30143 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:35 pm to
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I don't see a lot of farmers here fighting this dispute.


The thread crushed them.
Look at the front page.


Cgsc Clockwork lobotomy became chicken’s UNPAID secretary via this thread.
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31157 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:36 pm to
Does this mean I can’t use this anymore?


Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50322 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:36 pm to
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I don't see a lot of farmers here fighting this dispute.
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Debunked on page 3.

Chicken is reaching. He's out of his element when he gets down in the mud on here. Lobo completely bodied him on his own website. He should just stay in his ivory tower.
Posted by jiffyjohnson
1226 miles from Death Valley
Member since Nov 2011
5000 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:39 pm to


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We'll claim the undefeated ones.


no the frick you wont
Posted by Hugh McElroy
Member since Sep 2013
17358 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:39 pm to
Well it's been confirmed that even chicken is a bitch troll.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
25303 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:40 pm to
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The 1939 Vols were also the last team in NCAA history to go undefeated, untied, and unscored upon in the regular season.
No other team can be "better" than a team that was not scored on.
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
123612 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:41 pm to
Y’all have made 6 threads after Chicken made that 1. If that isn’t getting bodied and rustled then I don’t know what it is.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80027 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:41 pm to
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No other team can be "better" than a team that was not scored on.


1st place votes: Final 1939 AP poll.

1. Texas A&M 11-0 (55)
2. Tennessee 10-0 (26)

11 > 10
Posted by Nitro Express
Gulf Coast
Member since Jul 2018
16163 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:47 pm to
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They finished the regular season No. 1 in the AP Poll, and Tennessee was No. 2. Both teams were 10-0 in the regular season.

Since those two teams didn't face off in the bowl game, we will never know who was the better team.


Another baseless, desperate claim by the head honcho LSU baw. But I like this one.
Posted by markinkaty
Katy Tx
Member since Dec 2019
4507 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 3:06 pm to
Why didn't they play in Cotton or Sugar that year? Jarrin John and legendary Houston Ford dealer Tommie Vaughn vs Gen. Neyland's boys.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8714 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 3:14 pm to
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Here we go with the "A&M was the only University that sent their boys to war" bullshite.


No, but A&M had compulsory military service back then and those guys all left school early to fight. Just facts. A&M has a pretty incredible military history and not sure why that triggers you. Other schools certainly did their part as well.
Posted by 0x2102
Southeastern Texas
Member since Dec 2020
1700 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 3:21 pm to
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football team on the decline??

That football team you speak of beat you with 2nd and 3rd team players and a coach who had been fired.
Muh number 1 recruiting class though.
Posted by arg
Member since Sep 2013
488 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 3:21 pm to
Brain Kelly is your coach
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