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re: Last night was yet another black eye for the SEC

Posted on 12/28/24 at 12:41 pm to
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
21749 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 12:41 pm to
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It's like the U.S. Military. Units that lose are roundly criticized within the ranks. Thus the black stripe (river) on the 1st Cav patch.

My Grandfather used to say about the 1st Cav patch: "The horse they never rode. The line they never crossed. And, well, the color is self-explanatory."

What is the specific incident they got the coward reputation from? Everyone else outside of Army always calls them 1st team, implying they're one of the best.
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 12:43 pm
Posted by NickPapageorgio
Yuma, AZ
Member since Oct 2014
851 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 12:50 pm to
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But they do give us indicators of how well a coach is relating to their players (getting them to play in the bowl), how well he's building the depth of the team (as backups play due to opt outs) and give us some information on the talent coming back the following year.



This is very true.

It's why Oklahoma fans should be extremely worried about next year. Their freshmen and sophomores looked terrible verses what should have been an easily overpowered Navy squad.

It's also why I feel good as an Ole Miss fan, our players aren't opting out like we see some teams. People give Lane hell but his players actually like him and the program as a whole.
Posted by Geaux002
Member since Jan 2021
1295 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 1:03 pm to
Bowl games are meaningless and show nothing now. Half the teams aren’t playing the other half are back ups just happy to be on the field. Not much can be taken away from these shell of teams playing each other in non playoff games.
Posted by NickPapageorgio
Yuma, AZ
Member since Oct 2014
851 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 1:14 pm to
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Bowl games are meaningless and show nothing now. Half the teams aren’t playing the other half are back ups just happy to be on the field. Not much can be taken away from these shell of teams playing each other in non playoff games


Yeah it actually speaks a ton about the condition of a program.

Take UGA and FSU as an example last year.

One team had mass opt outs and a pity party. The other team, UGA, had a coach and players who stood on pride.

We see the results a year later.

UGA had a winning culture fostered by the coaches and players. FSU, not so much.
Posted by OsagecatZ
Member since May 2024
383 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 1:18 pm to
If 1st Cavalry is same as X Corps it has to
Be Chosin Reservoir.
Posted by Caimani
Member since Sep 2023
634 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 1:18 pm to
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Navy fans are bragging about their win over an SEC opponent


MEH…We’re bragging about winning the Commander in Chief trophy over a ranked Army team…beating a has been SEC newbie was just icing on our 10 win season.
Posted by Caimani
Member since Sep 2023
634 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 1:20 pm to
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Our Southern Culture dictates and demands Southern Pride. Something no northeasterner, no left coasters and few Midwesterners are able to comprehend.


Finally…something we agree upon.
Posted by OsagecatZ
Member since May 2024
383 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 1:21 pm to
& all corrections welcomed as Korea a special interest of mine…;)
Happy Holidays!
Posted by BlacknGoldNuts
Columbia, MO
Member since Jul 2023
170 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 1:37 pm to
Half empty stadiums galore - why the hell are we not having bowl games at either team's stadium? That would at least fill the seats. They just need to decide on how who gets home field advantage.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
21749 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 1:52 pm to
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all corrections welcomed as Korea a special interest of mine

I did some quick googling on the topic and it appears 1st Cav (specifically 5th and 8th cav regiments) got embarrassed at the Battle of Unsan by the Chinese.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
40983 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 4:41 pm to
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What is the specific incident they got the coward reputation from?

I can't recall the exact circumstances. I just remember that it happened in Korea during the battle around Ipsok and Unsan. My uncle fought in that battle and received a Purple Heart. He rarely talked about it, but if I remember correctly, a couple of the battalions were overrun after their ROK counterparts fell and the two BN units had to retreat.

I know the 1st Cav fought hard in Vietnam and had a very high casualty rate in their mission to regain the Division's honor.
Posted by Jimmy Montrose
Lake Highlands
Member since Aug 2021
1360 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 4:47 pm to
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The same shite happens every year without fail in SEC World.

SEC takes some embarrassing losses in Week 1 and Week 2. LSU always volunteers to go first. "This is looking like a down year in the SEC."

By the middle of October, it's "the SEC is a gauntlet and every team in the conference is the frigging '85 Chicago Bears."

SEC starts losing bowl games and "this was a down year in the SEC."


As a Texas fan looking in from the outside the last decade, the SEC always had the best conference if you only included the top three teams. It was never a guantlet. It had mid-tier and bottom-tier just like everyone else. But the top teams carried the load and created the buzz.

Still seems the same.
Posted by Tenn grad LSU fan
Woulhuntdn't you like to know spazz
Member since Apr 2023
1098 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 4:49 pm to
Excuses so we are not above everyone else we are in the same shoes so sec dominance is over lsu even when bamas bad you still suck
Posted by Jimmy Montrose
Lake Highlands
Member since Aug 2021
1360 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 4:53 pm to
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Well, I guess we 'circle jerk' alot because we win so many championsions.


Who is "we"? I'm not going to claim any wins by schools that I didn't go to or aren't a fan of.

Plus, SEC has a shitty logo.
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 4:57 pm
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
5748 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 4:54 pm to
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As a Texas fan looking in from the outside the last decade, the SEC always had the best conference if you only included the top three teams. It was never a guantlet. It had mid-tier and bottom-tier just like everyone else. But the top teams carried the load and created the buzz.

Still seems the same.



Playing on the road in the SEC still counts for something, especially at night. Make most of these teams play away from home, however, and they're not so great and wonderful.
Posted by SoonerKA1999
T-Town
Member since Aug 2021
830 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 5:03 pm to
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OU and a&m good for parity


You've seemed to have forgotten how mediocre you all were in the Big12 the last 10 years.
Posted by Clark14
Earth
Member since Dec 2014
24198 posts
Posted on 12/28/24 at 5:24 pm to
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You've seemed to have forgotten how mediocre you all were in the Big12 the last 10 years.


I thought about this yesterday. If the two teams had moved here in 2021 when the move was announced the roles would most likely would have been reversed.

It was about timing.
Posted by Beef Supreme
Member since Apr 2008
2077 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:22 am to
I'm put the records out there without comment. You're the one doing the spin job.
Posted by mayhaw
Hobe Sound, Florida
Member since Sep 2015
29 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:40 am to
So, So Cal is in ACC now. ok
Posted by TDCat
Louisville
Member since Oct 2013
1009 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 8:00 am to
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It was never a guantlet. It had mid-tier and bottom-tier just like everyone else. But the top teams carried the load and created the buzz.

What you were probably and understandably missing in that time were teams like UK who would finish 9th in the conference and would beat a team that finished 3rd in their conference.

The conference was dominating post season while most teams were "playing up".

This new bowl era is just a post season crap shoot.
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