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re: Kyler transferring to the SEC question
Posted on 12/18/15 at 9:52 pm to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 12/18/15 at 9:52 pm to BamaGradinTn
If they sit out a year like they are supposed to then yes. I'm really actually curious as to the legal grounds for restricting transfer.
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Posted on 12/18/15 at 9:55 pm to JesusQuintana
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I don't know the legality of it, but I assume it's pretty strong because no one has ever tried to challenge it to my knowledge. It's a very common practice.
I guess I haven't paid attention to it since this many high profile players have never transferred all at once from a single program, but I'm shocked some legal shark or pro player rights group hasn't jumped on it before. It just seems that it proves the point they are pawns for our enjoyment in for profit business, vs kids getting an education and playing the game they love. Someone could spin this and make a media storm if they wanted to. It could be the catalys to us paying players and recognizing that this is nothing more than a minor league to the pros. It would sure help Ole Piss in the impending death penalty we're facing with this new group of croots.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 9:59 pm to WhiskeyDick
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Call me stupid, but why can you restrict a college kid from transferring to another SEC school or anyone who A&M plays? He's not being compensated and didn't sign a non compete? Restricting where a kid gets an education and where he plays seems crazy. It seems that negates any argument that college athletics are nothing more than a minor league NFL, and completely money driven. I'm too drunk and lazy to look it up, but I found that really weird. This isn't a troll and no reason to post "all A&M all the time". I'm seriously curious after seeing his flash across ESPN.
tldr
Doesn't matter - no one in the SEC wants the midget.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 10:01 pm to WhiskeyDick
It seems that negates any argument that college athletics are nothing more than a minor league NFL, and completely money driven.
And there's your answer, but it's not new.
And there's your answer, but it's not new.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 10:05 pm to WhiskeyDick
Because it's part of the terms of their scholarship would be my guess.
Don't like it, don't sign it. Go pay for your own education like most people instead, and/or pay for your own training in hopes of making a NFL team in 3 years.
Don't like it, don't sign it. Go pay for your own education like most people instead, and/or pay for your own training in hopes of making a NFL team in 3 years.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 10:08 pm to 3down10
You and redeye nailed it, I guess my biggest question is why no one has challenged it. That's what's so mind boggling to me. I don't want to debate paying players, this just seems like an layup for someone to challenge the system.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 10:17 pm to 3down10
But is it? I'd like to see a contract with that language. And also how can you explain certain players transferring between sec schools and others being forbidden to do so. Again, I'm not calling anyone out or anything I'm just genuinely curious. Much like a poster above I think this may be a Pandora's box.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 10:30 pm to WhiskeyDick
Stipulation of him being released pure and simple
Posted on 12/18/15 at 10:36 pm to tilco
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And also how can you explain certain players transferring between sec schools and others being forbidden to do so.
I can choose to hold you to the contract or I can choose not to.
And again they aren't forbidden to transfer to a SEC school. They would just have to sit two years instead of one and no one wants to do that.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 10:42 pm to 5Alive
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Stipulation of him being released pure and simple
He can transfer without a release from his NLI, but he forfeits any redshirt year if he does so.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 10:44 pm to WhiskeyDick
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Call me stupid
Hey Stupid,
NCAA rules states that if you transfer to another university in the same Division you have to sit out 2 seasons unless the school grants a release which requires you to only sit out 1 season.
The school can withhold its release dependent an agreed upon transfer school.
Its that easy.
There is no non-compete clause. Schools just refuse to grant releases to certain universities
Posted on 12/18/15 at 10:44 pm to WhiskeyDick
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Restricting where a kid gets an education
not happening
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and where he plays
not happening
Posted on 12/18/15 at 10:52 pm to Quicksilver
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If coaches can come and go, players should be able to too.
They can
Posted on 12/18/15 at 11:04 pm to WhiskeyDick
In reality, its because they want to keep the top conference schools from taking the talent from the smaller conference schools. Imagine if Alabama could take the best kids from Vanderbilt, Kentucky, etc. every year.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 11:06 pm to WhiskeyDick
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guess I haven't paid attention to it since this many high profile players have never transferred all at once from a single program, but I'm shocked some legal shark or pro player rights group hasn't jumped on it before. It just seems that it proves the point they are pawns for our enjoyment in for profit business, vs kids getting an education and playing the game they love. Someone could spin this and make a media storm if they wanted to. It could be the catalys to us paying players and recognizing that this is nothing more than a minor league to the pros. It would sure help Ole Piss in the impending death penalty we're facing with this new group of croots.
They have been challenged, and routinely held legal in court, to a certain extent. A&M couldn't restrict him from every D1 school or something like that, but it's been upheld in court to restrict a player from transferring withing the division. I'm not sure if future opponents has been challenged though
Posted on 12/18/15 at 11:09 pm to Col Reb is my mascot
That actually makes complete sense, and something I'd never thought of. Thanks for both posts 
Posted on 12/18/15 at 11:09 pm to Col Reb is my mascot
*double post
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Posted on 12/19/15 at 12:57 am to WhiskeyDick
I think the fact that he won't be at A&M for a full academic year gives A&M more rights than normal in regards to his transfer..
As it stands now, he needs a waiver from A&M to transfer to any D1 school (because he didn't honor his commitment) or he would just sit out 2 years without a waiver. He could go JUCO or FCS and play immediately I believe. Had he completed the full year then A&M could only restrict him from conference schools (frowned upon) and he'd have to sit out a year.
I'm relaying what I read somewhere. Correct me if need be but I think that's basically it..
As it stands now, he needs a waiver from A&M to transfer to any D1 school (because he didn't honor his commitment) or he would just sit out 2 years without a waiver. He could go JUCO or FCS and play immediately I believe. Had he completed the full year then A&M could only restrict him from conference schools (frowned upon) and he'd have to sit out a year.
I'm relaying what I read somewhere. Correct me if need be but I think that's basically it..
Posted on 12/19/15 at 1:54 am to WhiskeyDick
Yeah man I agree with you. It definitley doesn't seem right. Whether it's a player leaving LSU or an opposing school, it doesn't seem right but I guess there would be a bit of transfer chaos if this rule wasn't in place but admittedly I don't really know all the angles. Kids would be bouncing around a lot though.
Posted on 12/19/15 at 2:00 am to DorchesterGamecock
I think you got it right. But I also can't imagine that any of this is relevant in this case. If he wants to play football, well he was clearly the starter going into the bowl game and would have had a clear advantage (assuming he didn't shite the bed in Nashville) going into next year. Tell all the Aggie jokes you want, but this move doesn't make any sense if he still wants to play football. I get that it seems he was pissed about not being handed the starting QB job from the get-go, but now after Allen quit he would have HAD the starting job. My guess is he's done with football and will concentrate on baseball.
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