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Posted on 2/15/13 at 8:07 am to sgbenne
Link seems legit. Also, I can tell this is a very serious matter to you, you've dedicated five posts to this thread and you only posted 3 times before in your time here since Nov. 2011. That's awesome.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 8:13 am to the808bass
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but Flaherty meticulously sources his info.
I've never heard of him, but based on that article and his other archived articles, he seems to be a race baiting shock journalist.
He has no info of the knockout game. He just assumes it for the purpose of his race baiting. I'm not sure if you are serious or just trolling, however, either way it makes me laugh.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 8:14 am to bigpapamac
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Link seems legit. Also, I can tell this is a very serious matter to you, you've dedicated five posts to this thread and you only posted 3 times before in your time here since Nov. 2011. That's awesome.
Thanks for recognizing my awesomeness, though you're even "awesomer" because instead of replying to the issue, you preferred to call me out for not having posted much prior to now. By the way, I started this thread, and answering the replies to it seemed appropriate.
So, do you have an opinion or comment about the original post?
Posted on 2/15/13 at 8:15 am to WDE24
You can call it race-baiting, but that assumes there's no underlying racial issue. He reports the facts largely without comment. I'm sure that's annoyingly uncomfortable.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 8:18 am to sgbenne
What about the LSU curb stomp game???
Posted on 2/15/13 at 8:19 am to WDE24
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Knockout Game?
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but Flaherty meticulously sources his info.
I've never heard of him, but based on that article and his other archived articles, he seems to be a race baiting shock journalist.
He has no info of the knockout game. He just assumes it for the purpose of his race baiting. I'm not sure if you are serious or just trolling, however, either way it makes me laugh.
So, WDE24, tell us what you know about the "Knockout Game" - Is Flaherty right? How about the other incidents at Pitt and Wisconsin, and the ones referred to by the other posters here? I'd be glad to see a reasonable but direct and honest discussion of this, race-baiting aside.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 8:30 am to sgbenne
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Is Flaherty right?
Without one single bit of evidence or comment from the authorities to support that the Alabama players were participating in a "knockout game," I'd have to say no. He's absolutely not right. Unless every person that gets beat up by a person of another race is a victim of the "knockout game." That seems to be his basic assumption or else he wouldn't have lumped the Alabama thing in. Because again, there's not a shred of evidence to support that.
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Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:02 am to bigpapamac
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Without one single bit of evidence or comment from the authorities to support that the Alabama players were participating in a "knockout game," I'd have to say no. He's absolutely not right. Unless every person that gets beat up by a person of another race is a victim of the "knockout game." That seems to be his basic assumption or else he wouldn't have lumped the Alabama thing in. Because again, there's not a shred of evidence to support that.
Here's your evidence: The filed Police Report of the incident where the players admit that one of them did another beatdown earlier in the evening, and that the reported beatdown was done by another player, all while the others watched:
LINK to official police report
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:08 am to sgbenne
How the hell is that evidence of a "knockout game?" That's evidence that we all know now as fact that they beat up two people and stole their ACT cards and a laptop. What exactly is evidence of your little game?
I'm sure this writer not many people have heard of from a website not many people have heard of knows a lot more about the Alabama story than the media and law enforcement around here that have been talking about it nonstop since the incident. Again I say, seems legit.
I'm sure this writer not many people have heard of from a website not many people have heard of knows a lot more about the Alabama story than the media and law enforcement around here that have been talking about it nonstop since the incident. Again I say, seems legit.
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Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:09 am to sgbenne
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Apparently, the recent thuggery involving Alabama football players was committed as part of a brutal "game" where a group of guys find an innocent bystander of a different race (seems to have only happened so far as a black-on-white game) and beat the bystander to a pulp until they go unconscious. The thug with the least number of punches needed to "knockout" the victim, wins. The "game" has not only been "played" by 'Bama players, but also by football players at other colleges -- notably Pitt and Wisconsin. These incidents, this violence, has me perplexed with two questions: 1) What goes through someone's head to think that knocking someone out is "fun"?; and 2) Is there anything that will finally stop racially structured violence? I suppose that a third question is appropriate also: Do these football players think that they are somehow above the law, that their fame will protect them (e.g. Ray Lewis)?? ANYBODY?
Who knows what criminals think and quite frankly I don't give a shite. What would stop this shite in its tracks is for one or two of the targets to pull a concealed handgun and put a couple rounds of .40 S & W in the bastards. Thugs would think long and hard before pulling that shite again because they know it might be the last thing they ever do on this earth.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:20 am to Choctaw Hog
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Who knows what criminals think and quite frankly I don't give a shite. What would stop this shite in its tracks is for one or two of the targets to pull a concealed handgun and put a couple rounds of .40 S & W in the bastards. Thugs would think long and hard before pulling that shite again because they know it might be the last thing they ever do on this earth.
Eggs act lee!!!
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:20 am to bigpapamac
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How the hell is that evidence of a "knockout game?" That's evidence that we all know now as fact that they beat up two people and stole their ACT cards and a laptop. What exactly is evidence of your little game?
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Jurgens said he has never met his attackers before and wasn’t sure if they attacked him with specific intent to rob him.
“It’s almost like they were doing it for fun, because it seemed weird that they didn’t rob me of my wallet or phone or keys,” he said. “But, I just know they sure did an efficient job because I can’t recall parts of it even today.”
Both victims were knocked unconscious. The assaults were done in a group. Robbery doesn't seem to be the primary motive, just from the quote that is from this LINK. You can get your panties in a wad about the phraseology "Knockout game," but it fits right in with the typical "game" as it is "played."
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:42 am to the808bass
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How the hell is that evidence of a "knockout game?" That's evidence that we all know now as fact that they beat up two people and stole their ACT cards and a laptop. What exactly is evidence of your little game?
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Jurgens said he has never met his attackers before and wasn’t sure if they attacked him with specific intent to rob him.
“It’s almost like they were doing it for fun, because it seemed weird that they didn’t rob me of my wallet or phone or keys,” he said. “But, I just know they sure did an efficient job because I can’t recall parts of it even today.”
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Both victims were knocked unconscious. The assaults were done in a group. Robbery doesn't seem to be the primary motive, just from the quote that is from this LINK. You can get your panties in a wad about the phraseology "Knockout game," but it fits right in with the typical "game" as it is "played."
the808bass, thanks for bringing sanity here. I just realized that the objections to the incident being categorized as a "knockout game" were coming from an Alabama fan, and that he was probably being protective.
Let me be clear here: This sort of thing could happen on any campus, or anywhere. THAT IS WHY I posted the topic - to openly and honestly vett and get to the reasons behind it all, so that perhaps we can root it out and stop it. Whether it's happening at Alabama or LSU (remembering the # of violent incidents) or Pitt or Wisconsin or St. Louis or WHEREVER, it needs to be discussed, vetted, and stopped. Being offended over whether it's called "Knockout Game" or whatever only is an infantile politically correct response to a serious non-political issue.
So, again, what should/can be done? How is this dealt with?
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:44 am to the808bass
Except, they did steal from both victims. One had a laptop and it was stolen. They took cards off of both of them. They were arrested for robbery. Since they didn't take their keys and go for grand theft auto, it was just for fun? And how does a kid who gets quickly beaten unconscious have any idea of why they were doing it at the time? This writer is just a clown reaching to get clicks and get his name talked about.
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Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:47 am to sgbenne
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So, again, what should/can be done? How is this dealt with?
It is a crime to beat someone down and take their shite. Whether it was a game, fueled by alcohol or drugs, racially motivated or whatever other reason/excuse. Throw their asses in prison for it no matter the motivation.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:49 am to sgbenne
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How is this dealt with?
Hollowpoints work nicely.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:54 am to bigpapamac
They knocked out both victims. I'm not sure why you can't grasp that part of the story. But it's still there, awaiting your recognition.
And I would submit the kid who was actually there has a better idea about the general vibe of the crime than you do, hard as that may be to grasp (noting also that the article I linked wasn't written by the "clown").
And I would submit the kid who was actually there has a better idea about the general vibe of the crime than you do, hard as that may be to grasp (noting also that the article I linked wasn't written by the "clown").
Posted on 2/15/13 at 10:12 am to dedfella
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It is a crime to beat someone down and take their shite. Whether it was a game, fueled by alcohol or drugs, racially motivated or whatever other reason/excuse. Throw their asses in prison for it no matter the motivation.
Right, that's the immediate thing to do; Is there something on a larger scale to influence the thinking of the people who believe that the game is so "fun" or "exciting" as to risk everything?
Posted on 2/15/13 at 10:13 am to JustGetItRight
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Hollowpoints work nicely.
I recommend Speer Gold Dots or Hornady Critical Defense.
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