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re: Kiffin WILL get UT back on track
Posted on 7/31/09 at 11:48 am to Klaus
Posted on 7/31/09 at 11:48 am to Klaus
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A little before my time, but I have heard the story. They say that Knoxville is still divided on that and the old Majors supporters were the driving force behind Fulmers departure.
Majors ultimately deserved it. Fulmer did too.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 11:54 am to GoBigOrange86
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Majors ultimately deserved it. Fulmer did too.
Back to Kiffin. If he is capable of being humbled, he stands a chance of lasting longer than 3 years in Knoxville. He just needs every recruiting class to be stronger than the last.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 12:00 pm to Klaus
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Back to Kiffin. If he is capable of being humbled, he stands a chance of lasting longer than 3 years in Knoxville. He just needs every recruiting class to be stronger than the last.
UF and UGA aren't going anywhere. Both are as talented as UT can possibly hope to become and both have good coaching staffs. Kiffin's task is to make UT a Top 10 team..do you really forsee him doing that in under 4 years?
Posted on 7/31/09 at 12:07 pm to dawgorama
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UF and UGA aren't going anywhere
And it doesn't help that SC has given them a rough game for every game this decade finally the tables turning last year and UK and Vandy both having the talent to at least get 6 or 7 wins. Though once UT is good again they (and SC) could get knocked down a win once more)
Posted on 7/31/09 at 12:09 pm to dawgorama
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Kiffin's task is to make UT a Top 10 team..do you really forsee him doing that in under 4 years?
I can see him ending the 2012 season somewhere in the top ten in the final season poll. Like I said before, I do not see him winning championships there. However, I can honestly see him making the Vols a consistant top 20 team.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 1:53 pm to Klaus
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Kiffin WILL get UT back on track
on regaining the Fulmer Cup. He'll bring that trophy back home to Tenn, where it belongs.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 1:54 pm to SouGent
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on regaining the Fulmer Cup. He'll bring that trophy back home to Tenn, where it belongs.
That's funny, considering we've never won it.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 1:55 pm to SouGent
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on regaining the Fulmer Cup. He'll bring that trophy back home to Tenn, where it belongs.
how do you get back on top, when you've never won
Posted on 7/31/09 at 2:02 pm to tennessee391
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UF and UGA aren't going anywhere. Both are as talented as UT can possibly hope to become and both have good coaching staffs.
This goes back to the Chavis at LSU threads but I still don't get why people seem to think UT can't, even at a peak, pull in more talent than any other program in the conference.
I mean, its not like we haven't sent more first round picks and overall players to the NFL over the last ten years, twenty years, and all time, than any other SEC program.
Yes, Tennessee doesn't have homegrown talent but our rec. budget more than makes up for it.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 2:05 pm to Klaus
a strong Tennessee is good for LSU since it makes the schedule imbalance we face in having Florida as our permanent east opponent less and less of an issue.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 2:05 pm to Volmanac
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I still don't get why people seem to think UT can't, even at a peak, pull in more talent than any other program in the conference.
People who don't think UT can pull talent in just have their blinders on.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 2:10 pm to Volmanac
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This goes back to the Chavis at LSU threads but I still don't get why people seem to think UT can't, even at a peak, pull in more talent than any other program in the conference.
Can UT get talent, yes. But more than LSU, UF, BAma, UGA? No. It's simple actually. All those schools have great in state talent, AND are now nationally recruiting kids. UT has to rely mostly on national recruiting year in and year out. Where as if one of the others doesn't pull a national class, they always have the in state talent to fall back on- thus a more desirable position.
Also- when UT was at the peak of their power in the mid 90's to earlier this decade, the only school in the SEC that had as much talent really UF and Bama. Now, LSU, UGA are in good positions. And every other school has put major finances into winning, so the competition is stiffer on top of the recruiting issue.
So even assuming UT pulls in national talent every year, then it goes to coaching. Now I know Kiffin has assemble a bunch of good recruiters. But UT fans better pray this guy is as good as a coach. Other wise, if he's canned in 3 years, the program is set back even further than what Fulmer did.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 2:27 pm to SerenityNow
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Other wise, if he's canned in 3 years, the program is set back even further than what Fulmer did.
I agreed with everything up to this point. If Kiffin is canned after 3 seasons, that means the incoming coach is inheriting a lot of talent bc their recruiting will not fall off under his rigime. Compare it to what Houston Nutt walked into at OM. (except UT will be able to sustain the recruiting better than UM)
Posted on 7/31/09 at 2:32 pm to Klaus
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People who don't think UT can pull talent in just have their blinders on.
Where is this talent? Two years of recruiting and still no QB or big time O-line commits. These are big needs for Tenn and he can't get a recruit to come in? He will have to step it up the rest of the year to fill the holes on the o-line if he wants to have any success in the future.
This will be Kiffin's down fall!
Posted on 7/31/09 at 2:36 pm to Klaus
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He will get roughed up this season, but after Tebow leaves the East is open for a shift. Could be UGA's turn next, but we will see.
Not sure why it's open for a shift. Florida is recruiting better than other teams in the East. Their backup QB appears to be good. I think they'll still be ahead of the rest.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 2:44 pm to arwicklu
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Where is this talent? Two years of recruiting and still no QB or big time O-line commits.
Kiffins incoming class is incredible for the season they had last year. I never said this transformation was going to happen overnight.
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Not sure why it's open for a shift. Florida is recruiting better than other teams in the East. Their backup QB appears to be good. I think they'll still be ahead of the rest.
It is definately open because Tebow will be gone. He has single handedly willed that team to victories they would have otherwise lost without him. Do I see a changing of the guard in the East......not yet. I said it's an opening, didn't say its a sure thing. Georgia has so much in-state talent, I think they will always be competitive. Thats why I included them. The SEC West needs a comptetitive Tennessee imo.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 2:50 pm to Klaus
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I never said this transformation was going to happen overnight.
Well when is it gonna happen? This should be an easy sell for Tenn to get a big time QB and some big time O-linemen. Every year that passes by with out these sets the program back 3 or 4 years. Tenn is supposed to be such an easy place to recruit at they should already have these players committed.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 2:50 pm to SerenityNow
back in the mid to late 90's UT had more talent than LSU, UGA or Bama. that's a fact. they can do it again, too. they were awesome. they got one NC out of it ('98) and one or more SEC championships (i forget). UGA hired Richt and, more importantly, hired Rodney Garner away from UT, LSU hired Saban and Bama lost Stalings. the way cycles work, who knows the future?
Posted on 7/31/09 at 2:55 pm to LSU GrandDad
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LSU GrandDad
This man gets it.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 2:56 pm to LSU GrandDad
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back in the mid to late 90's UT had more talent than LSU, UGA or Bama. that's a fact. they can do it again, too
False. I honestly think they can only hope to have AS MUCH talent as those schools. The landscape of the SEC has changed way too much. In order for the above scenario to happen, all three schools would need to have a down cycle coming soon. When UT had that talent they were poaching talent from those states. That's not happening now. LA kids go to LSU, Bama kids to Bama or AU, and so forth. Right now, they don't have the sell they once had.
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