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re: Kiffin WILL get UT back on track
Posted on 7/31/09 at 2:58 pm to SerenityNow
Posted on 7/31/09 at 2:58 pm to SerenityNow
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SerenityNow
This man gets it!
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Posted on 7/31/09 at 3:00 pm to offshoretrash
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offshoretrash
I can't lie, you and Serenity both make convincing arguments.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 3:05 pm to SerenityNow
I do not agree with some of Kiffin's antics, but I understand their purpose. Will he be able to revive UT? SWEET MOSES! I hopes so! Beating UT (the real "UT") by 30 points should be impossible. Who actually watched the 1998 UT boys? Nicely done!
I am no UT fan, but holy balls! UT HAS to get better. Especially because they keep scheduling tough OOC games with the PAC10! If for no other reason than to make the SEC look good, we should hope for UT to improve in quality.
I know what they say about pooping in one hand and wishing/hoping in the other...see which fills up first...but I HOPE that UT rises like a phoenix!
I am no UT fan, but holy balls! UT HAS to get better. Especially because they keep scheduling tough OOC games with the PAC10! If for no other reason than to make the SEC look good, we should hope for UT to improve in quality.
I know what they say about pooping in one hand and wishing/hoping in the other...see which fills up first...but I HOPE that UT rises like a phoenix!
Posted on 7/31/09 at 3:05 pm to Klaus
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I can't lie, you and Serenity both make convincing arguments.
I'm not gonna say Kiffin can't do it but as of right now I don't see the signs of him getting it turned around real fast like Saban did Bama. If they let Kiffin stay there it might take him 4 or 5 yrs to start winning. He HAS to get a QB in there and some dept on the o-line. You can look at all the winning programs and they will all have dept on the lines.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 3:10 pm to offshoretrash
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He HAS to get a QB in there and some dept on the o-line
Yeah, all the Vol fans I know are very worried ab the lack of a QB. It's hard to recruit from Knoxville geographically speaking.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 3:12 pm to Klaus
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you (offshoretrash) and serenity make convincing arguements
you guys may be right about Kiffin. that is, of course, the subject of this thread. i'm only sayin' that UT is a proud SEC program that has a great history and i think it WILL be back, just don't know when. them hiring kiffin was a real shocker to me (and still is).
Posted on 7/31/09 at 3:14 pm to offshoretrash
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Where is this talent? Two years of recruiting and still no QB or big time O-line commits. These are big needs for Tenn and he can't get a recruit to come in? He will have to step it up the rest of the year to fill the holes on the o-line if he wants to have any success in the future.
This will be Kiffin's down fall!
Seriously man? CLK has been at UT for 8 months, not 2 years. Weak sauce.
Answer this, out of all positions on both sides of the ball, which players always commit first? QB's start getting commitable offers waaay before other players.
For example, Phillip Sims was getting heavily recruited by Saban before CLK accepted the Raiders job. You hope you can sway a kid after getting in late, but it is very, very hard and you can't blame CLK for that this soon.
The SEC is super-duper hard and no VOL fan can ensure a championship. I understand completely how LSU, Bama, UF, and LSU fans can't fathom CLK returning UT into a national power because it is so atypical of the CURRENT SEC hierarchy. However, that hiearchy is directly related to the coaches at each of those programs and you can bet half of them will not be at their schools in four years for various reasons.
That is how UT can get back and that is how half of the SEC big dogs got to where they are today. Think about how even the playing field got after Spurrier left UF. What did UGA or LSU do the whole time Spurrier was at UF? What did they do after he left UF? What will happen when CUM leaves UF? Exactly.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 3:17 pm to UTanner
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The SEC is super-duper hard
The PAC 10 is ridiculously difficult.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 3:18 pm to LSU GrandDad
No doubt Tenn is one of the most historic programs in college football and their facilities are second to none.
I wasn't really all that shocked with the LK hiring and even thought it might be a good hire. I really don't know what to think of him as a coach. My opinion was about how his recruiting is going now. I am surprised at how hard it has been for him to get a QB and OL commits into Tenn so far.
I wasn't really all that shocked with the LK hiring and even thought it might be a good hire. I really don't know what to think of him as a coach. My opinion was about how his recruiting is going now. I am surprised at how hard it has been for him to get a QB and OL commits into Tenn so far.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 3:22 pm to UTanner
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Answer this, out of all positions on both sides of the ball, which players always commit first? QB's start getting commitable offers waaay before other players.
Any QB that commits will start their first year. This should be a big selling point and an easy recruiting tool.
I know he hasn't been there for two years I meant two recruting classes.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 3:22 pm to arwicklu
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The PAC 10 is ridiculously difficult
Um. Sure, why not
Posted on 7/31/09 at 3:27 pm to offshoretrash
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Any QB that commits will start their first year. This should be a big selling point and an easy recruiting tool.
Is this truly a selling point if UT doesn't have a decent O-line? I think that turd Clawson at Notre Dame can answer that one.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 3:41 pm to Klaus
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Is this truly a selling point if UT doesn't have a decent O-line?
It should be the same with OL they will come in and start right away as well.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 3:47 pm to offshoretrash
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It should be the same with OL they will come in and start right away as well
I thought you were talking about QB's only. No doubt thats a huge selling point for plenty of o-lineman. Wish the season would just get here already.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 3:54 pm to Klaus
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The PAC 10 is ridiculously difficult
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Um. Sure, why not
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That is unfair to say. I wanted to use stronger words, but I am newish here. You are not being fair.
The SEC can not speak for the difficulty of the Pac10. It is a retarded argument...a retargument if you will. Am I the first to say that? If so, you have to put a (TM) or *thank you JuniperSprouts if you ever use it.
We play in the SEC. They play in the PAC10.
The Pac10 was 5-0 in bowl games.
USC is 4-0 against the SEC as of late. Are their victories braggable and/or exaggerated? Yes and no.
Apart from that, we have "big money" (aka Bowl tie-ins and the BCS to thank for our separation in playing...and pussy-footed OOC schedules...Achoo! UF!) to blame.
I was talking to an FSU fan the other day. Don't worry, I patted him down first (teehee). He thought that USC was wicked-overrated. I tried to pick his brainicles. I am willing to listen to an educated fan. His only argument that made sense to me was that USC does not play enough "tough" defenses throughout the season to be judged as equal. I do not even know where to look to see how many top10 defenses USC has seen over the years, but I know this:
1. Everyone who is honest with himself knows that USC has been, by a significant measure, the best program of the last decade.
2. No SEC champion would ever turn down the opportunity to play the Pac10 champ.
3. USC has been denied title shots unfairly. I am NO USC fanboy, but Jeepers creepers! The media, over the last @6 years COULD NOT WAIT for USC to drop a game to completely discount them. Be honest with yourself, USC has been robbed at title shots a few times. Tell me I am wrong!
4. SEC vs. PAC10 National championships:
2003...LSU was awesome. Oklahoma was good. USC was awesome. I agree with the LSU chancellor - USC were national champs just as Al Gore was president. BUT, holy balls, did we not all want to see USC vs. LSU? It would have been epic.
2006....UF was awesome. OH State had problems. USC was awesome. We all wanted UF vs. USC.
2007...LSU was awesome. OH State had mind-problems. USC vs. LSU would have been much better. (Georgia fans calm down - you were awesome too.)
2008...Really, again? Yes. Actually...it may not be fair for me to comment on this, as I have picked (for some arbitrary, bizarre reason) the Oklahoma Sooners to be my arch nemesis. OU should not get a title shot until "Big-Game Bob" is gone. Everybody and his brother knows that OU did not give as good a game as Texas ("UT2") or USC would have.
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I said all of that, WRT style, to say:
Klaus, take it back.
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The PAC 10 is ridiculously difficult
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Um. Sure, why not
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That is unfair to say. I wanted to use stronger words, but I am newish here. You are not being fair.
The SEC can not speak for the difficulty of the Pac10. It is a retarded argument...a retargument if you will. Am I the first to say that? If so, you have to put a (TM) or *thank you JuniperSprouts if you ever use it.
We play in the SEC. They play in the PAC10.
The Pac10 was 5-0 in bowl games.
USC is 4-0 against the SEC as of late. Are their victories braggable and/or exaggerated? Yes and no.
Apart from that, we have "big money" (aka Bowl tie-ins and the BCS to thank for our separation in playing...and pussy-footed OOC schedules...Achoo! UF!) to blame.
I was talking to an FSU fan the other day. Don't worry, I patted him down first (teehee). He thought that USC was wicked-overrated. I tried to pick his brainicles. I am willing to listen to an educated fan. His only argument that made sense to me was that USC does not play enough "tough" defenses throughout the season to be judged as equal. I do not even know where to look to see how many top10 defenses USC has seen over the years, but I know this:
1. Everyone who is honest with himself knows that USC has been, by a significant measure, the best program of the last decade.
2. No SEC champion would ever turn down the opportunity to play the Pac10 champ.
3. USC has been denied title shots unfairly. I am NO USC fanboy, but Jeepers creepers! The media, over the last @6 years COULD NOT WAIT for USC to drop a game to completely discount them. Be honest with yourself, USC has been robbed at title shots a few times. Tell me I am wrong!
4. SEC vs. PAC10 National championships:
2003...LSU was awesome. Oklahoma was good. USC was awesome. I agree with the LSU chancellor - USC were national champs just as Al Gore was president. BUT, holy balls, did we not all want to see USC vs. LSU? It would have been epic.
2006....UF was awesome. OH State had problems. USC was awesome. We all wanted UF vs. USC.
2007...LSU was awesome. OH State had mind-problems. USC vs. LSU would have been much better. (Georgia fans calm down - you were awesome too.)
2008...Really, again? Yes. Actually...it may not be fair for me to comment on this, as I have picked (for some arbitrary, bizarre reason) the Oklahoma Sooners to be my arch nemesis. OU should not get a title shot until "Big-Game Bob" is gone. Everybody and his brother knows that OU did not give as good a game as Texas ("UT2") or USC would have.
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I said all of that, WRT style, to say:
Klaus, take it back.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 4:04 pm to JuniperSprouts
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JuniperSprouts
I am so confused as to what you are getting at here. My comment in regards to the pac 10 was in agreeance that it is a tough conference, but i worded it as such because it took me off guard. (The debate was about UT, not anything closely related to the Pac 10) So, send me some cliff notes on your dissertation and get back to me on what you would like for me to apologize for. Thanks
-Klaus
Posted on 7/31/09 at 4:18 pm to Klaus
Klaus said: "Um. Sure, why not"
...sounded like sarcasm. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
...sounded like sarcasm. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
This post was edited on 7/31/09 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 7/31/09 at 4:21 pm to JuniperSprouts
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That short enough for you?
Short and to the point, very nice. Now this is what I want you to do.........read my last post. Kige, is that u???
edit: no problem, happens to me all the time on this site.
This post was edited on 7/31/09 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 7/31/09 at 4:34 pm to Klaus
UT just got it's second WR commitment of the week with 4 star Matt Milton who is 6'6 and runs a 4.5. We all know how good Markeith Ambles is.
How much more attractive is the QB position today than it was 3 days ago? What O Lineman wouldn't consider UT with the #1 RB and #1 APB in Brown and Oku.
UT's staff is being relentless in enhancing the opportunities at QB and OL positions by putting the other pieces together arouond these positions. It can't happen over night and there will be obstacles. This is the best he can do and is somewhat remarkable that these kids commmit despite not having a QB to throw them the ball or an O line to block for them. It is only time before the expectations are valid.
How much more attractive is the QB position today than it was 3 days ago? What O Lineman wouldn't consider UT with the #1 RB and #1 APB in Brown and Oku.
UT's staff is being relentless in enhancing the opportunities at QB and OL positions by putting the other pieces together arouond these positions. It can't happen over night and there will be obstacles. This is the best he can do and is somewhat remarkable that these kids commmit despite not having a QB to throw them the ball or an O line to block for them. It is only time before the expectations are valid.
This post was edited on 7/31/09 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 7/31/09 at 4:41 pm to UTanner
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UTanner
I'm right there with you. UT needed to jumpstart its program, and they have done just that. The only thing I'd be worried about right now if I were a Vols fan is Kiffins pompous attitude getting him in trouble, bc his staff can recruit.
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