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re: Kadarius Toney clashes with Florida fans on Twitter
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:30 am to idlewatcher
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:30 am to idlewatcher
It’s not. But for many of these peeps it’s their career. KT has killed it, for over 3 years for UF. Sorry for blasting him or anyone else for thinking it’s in their best interest to sit out a MEANINGLESS bowl game. Again this game, means nothing in the long term, other than a check to the university.
Look what happened to Jaylon Smith a few years ago. He lost a shite ton of money because he played in a dumbass non playoff bowl game. Footballs a violent game..with a limited shelf life.
The system is flawed. Stop blaming the players for finally using their heads for once and letting institutions take advantage of them. Fix the system and you’ll fix a lot the problems.
Look what happened to Jaylon Smith a few years ago. He lost a shite ton of money because he played in a dumbass non playoff bowl game. Footballs a violent game..with a limited shelf life.
The system is flawed. Stop blaming the players for finally using their heads for once and letting institutions take advantage of them. Fix the system and you’ll fix a lot the problems.
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Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:32 am to ChiGator
A torn acl today is not a career ending injury anymore like it used to be. I don’t buy that argument. Back in the day a torn acl was just about a death sentence to the career of any athlete. Yet players still put on the pads and went out and played a whole season including a bowl game no matter of the record or if a title was on the line. Tua last year got hurt with a couple of games left including the bowl game. It was way more serious than a torn acl and could have ended his career but he was still drafted 5th in the draft and he is doing well in the NFL. Bad injuries can happen at any time and in any game so instead of players being scared of hurting themselves and their draft spot they should play in every game and try to improve their draft spot.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:33 am to RollingwiththeTide
A torn acl will result in most cases, unless you’re a generational talent, dropping multiple draft rounds. Dropping multiple draft rounds = hundreds of thousands of $$ lost.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:36 am to ChiGator
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MEANINGLESS bowl game.
why is it meaningless? The fact that he, and people like you, view them as meaningless is a problem and why he thinks it's ok to quit.
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Look what happened to Jaylon Smith a few years ago. He lost a shite ton of money because he played in a dumbass non playoff bowl game.
May want to go see what he has to say about it. He said, had he known he would get hurt, he'd have still played
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The system is flawed.
How is this system any more flawed than it's ever been? No more than 4 teams have ever been playing for a possible share of a national title at any point in college football history during bowl season, yet we never even fathomed guys skipping a bowl game because "they don't matter" until a few years ago. Players used to have more pride and cared about their school and teams more than they do now.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 12:41 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:41 am to lsufball19
Because it literally is a meaningless game lol. Florida got hammered by Michigan in 07 Capitol One bowl and ended up winning the ship the next year. This game has zero impact on next year. (Unless Grantham comes back in which case we’re fricked.)
To the Jaylon Smith point, Again obviously each player with NFL interest should make their own decision which benefits them personally. But to criticize someone whose worked their entire life to make the league because they choose to sit out the Cotton Bowl is insane to me.
To the Jaylon Smith point, Again obviously each player with NFL interest should make their own decision which benefits them personally. But to criticize someone whose worked their entire life to make the league because they choose to sit out the Cotton Bowl is insane to me.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:42 am to ChiGator
Florida vs LSU was meaningless. Why play in that game and risk getting hurt? Florida had already clinched the East.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:45 am to ChiGator
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Because it literally is a meaningless game lol.
How?
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This game has zero impact on next year.
It has an impact on your record and finish this year, just like every other game you play. Only 4 teams are in the playoffs. That doesn't render ever other game for teams out of the playoff race meaningless. And if you feel they are meaningless, than 10 teams even need to be fielding football teams every year because no more than that have a realistic shot of competing for a playoff spot
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But to criticize someone whose worked their entire life to make the league because they choose to sit out the Cotton Bowl is insane to me.
He brought it on himself by talking shite on social media to his fan base. If he wants a career as an entertainer, he needs to grow up, because having fans being disappointed in guys quitting on a season comes with the territory. You said every player has to make the decision they feel works best for them. Well, all decisions come with consequences. Everyone isn't going to kiss his arse for any decision he makes. He needs to learn this.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 12:46 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:46 am to Big EZ Tiger
quote:100% agreed. Respect for showing up when the rest of the offense just plain opted out
I felt for trask tbh. He didn’t play well but he didn’t quit on his team. Definitely doesn’t help his draft stock but that’s the kind of player and person he is!
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:47 am to lsufball19
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Only 4 teams are in the playoffs. That doesn't render ever other game for teams out of the playoff race meaningless.
That’s precisely the problem. It kind of has
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:50 am to JesusQuintana
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That’s precisely the problem. It kind of has
It's ALWAYS been this way. In the BCS, only two teams had a shot of a title during bowl season. Before the BCS, when you went to whatever major bowl your conference champ went to, you had maybe 4 teams with any chance of jumping up to #1 with a win or splitting a title with someone else. CFB will never have a system where any significant number of teams are playing for a national title after the season and conference title games are over, even if you expand the playoffs. That's just reality. That didn't used to matter. College football wasn't always only about winning the national title. Teams could feel accomplished by beating a good team in a bowl game. That's what made the bowl system so unique and special, teams always had something to play for at the end of the season. Somewhere along the line, the culture and attitude of the players changed, and it has frick all to do with the playoff model.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 12:55 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:52 am to lsufball19
Hey I’m not arguing u about him being a dipshit on social media after the game. I’m just sayin, in general, it’s lame for people to get bent outta shape about a Amateur athlete making a decision they feel is in their best interest.
And you’re never going to convince me any of these games minus the playoff games matter for the player. They’re great opportunities for coaches to get extra practices and reps for next years players and even this year that’s washed.
And you’re never going to convince me any of these games minus the playoff games matter for the player. They’re great opportunities for coaches to get extra practices and reps for next years players and even this year that’s washed.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:58 am to ChiGator
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I’m just sayin, in general, it’s lame for people to get bent outta shape about a Amateur athlete making a decision they feel is in their best interest.
It;s not lame for fans to be upset about players on their team quitting before the season ends. It would be unusual if they didn't. I think you have a misconception of what fans of teams care about. Florida Gator fans are fans of the team, not each player individually. They want their team to win and all of their players to want to help the team do that. How much money Toney, or others like him, stand to make in the NFL has no effect on what happens with the Florida football game.
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And you’re never going to convince me any of these games minus the playoff games matter for the player.
I know they don't matter for a lot of players. They have made that much clear. But I think it's sad they feel that way.
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They’re great opportunities for coaches to get extra practices and reps for next years players and even this year that’s washed.
You must be very young because bowl games were viewed as a lot more than just an opportunity for extra practices until very recently
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 1:00 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 1:07 am to lsufball19
I understand what you’re saying. But come one, man, these SEC powers are football factories. You go to LSU, UF, Bama to someday make it to the league and make a ton of money. With how violent the game is, unfortunately, this shite is bound to continue to happen.
Bowl games lose their luster because playoff games become more important. Almost like CFb natural selection. As the playoff expands, bowl games will continue to drift away.
Bowl games lose their luster because playoff games become more important. Almost like CFb natural selection. As the playoff expands, bowl games will continue to drift away.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 1:14 am to ChiGator
What is different about the playoffs as opposed to any other system we’ve had to determine a national champion in terms of number of teams still in the mix come bowl season? The answer is, nothing.
Injuries and pro football factories aren’t a new thing either. So what changed? Why, in the last 5 years, have many players decided that if they can’t play for a national title any more their last season then they may as well stop playing? It has nothing to do with the playoffs but a lot more to do with a cultural shift and it’s a shift that is taking CFB down a dangerous path.
Injuries and pro football factories aren’t a new thing either. So what changed? Why, in the last 5 years, have many players decided that if they can’t play for a national title any more their last season then they may as well stop playing? It has nothing to do with the playoffs but a lot more to do with a cultural shift and it’s a shift that is taking CFB down a dangerous path.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 1:23 am to lsufball19
I think there are a ton of different factors in play with this recent shift. And I think you can argue all of these play into a greater cultural shift.
1. Players talk more than ever now because of social media.
2. I think it’s become more accepted over the last few years and players don’t fear being penalized/judged.
3. I honestly think players are more educated now more than ever. They have more resources to understand their options.
1. Players talk more than ever now because of social media.
2. I think it’s become more accepted over the last few years and players don’t fear being penalized/judged.
3. I honestly think players are more educated now more than ever. They have more resources to understand their options.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:29 am to ChiGator
Wow! By your logic the game is too risky and they should probably quit and find a safer sport or hobby. Do you think the NFL will allow them to opt out of games because they’re worried about an injury? I can see it now... “Coach, I don’t think we’re gonna win our division and won’t make the playoffs. So, I’m just not gonna play anymore of these meaningless divisional games. I don’t want take unnecessary injury risks.”
I personally think it says quite a bit about their character, work ethic, and commitment. I’ll bet every dollar to my name they’re off smoking blunts while hanging at the club and NOT training for the NFL combine while they’ve “opted out.”
I personally think it says quite a bit about their character, work ethic, and commitment. I’ll bet every dollar to my name they’re off smoking blunts while hanging at the club and NOT training for the NFL combine while they’ve “opted out.”
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:33 am to RoscoeSanCarlos
NFL teams will eventually start looking at this as a negative in the future! Watch
Posted on 12/31/20 at 4:26 am to Audioman213
Booger was right about alot of these kids these days they dont care about team. They only care about their brand. LF opened up a can of worms a few years ago. I understand not wanting to get hurt but to doing it these way with one game left makes no sense.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 5:31 am to FLObserver
I suppose if this game were the Idaho potato bowl vs 7-5 Wyoming, maybe people would be less disappointed. I understand their reasoning behind opting out, it is disappointing in general. Stinks these opt outs are even taking place at the NY6 level.
This year has been odd given Covid, makeshift scheduling etc., but still a disappointing. If it's a trend that goes on next year (assuming things get back to normal), then CFB has a huge issue on their hands.
eta: Michigan had 4 guys out vs us in Peach Bowl, so it's not exclusive to this year
This year has been odd given Covid, makeshift scheduling etc., but still a disappointing. If it's a trend that goes on next year (assuming things get back to normal), then CFB has a huge issue on their hands.
eta: Michigan had 4 guys out vs us in Peach Bowl, so it's not exclusive to this year
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 5:32 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 5:31 am to Tigerbait357
Culture problem.
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