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re: Josh Pate dispels the myth of the "Bama Bump"
Posted on 1/28/22 at 1:14 pm to KennesawTiger
Posted on 1/28/22 at 1:14 pm to KennesawTiger
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Ask your boy Barrett Jones if the Bama bump is real.
I don't know him to ask him. Are we talking about Outland Trophy winning, Rimington Trophy winning, two-time All-American, two-time All-SEC, and three-time National Champion Barrett Jones?
If I ever see him, I'll be sure to ask him if Rivals overrated him.
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Posted on 1/28/22 at 1:20 pm to SeekGreatness
After signing with LSU he was dropped to a 4 star. What changed?
He didn’t sign with Bama?
He didn’t sign with Bama?
This post was edited on 1/28/22 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 1/28/22 at 1:20 pm to HottyToddy7
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So the Bama Bump is fact. That's is what he is saying? He is just justifying it because Bama is successful?
Alabama only has #1 classes because recruiting classes bump them.
Same people: Alabama and Nick Saban only have success because they get the top recruits.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 1:28 pm to elposter
100% irrelevant to the conversation, but ok buddy.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 1:29 pm to KennesawTiger
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Ask your boy Barrett Jones if the Bama bump is real.
Kid had never played center at all in high school but that didn't stop Rivals from listing him as the #1 center in the country, which is what it took to give Bama the #1 class that year.
Are you smoking crack?
In 2009, he played Right Guard in all 14 games as a redshirt freshman and won a National Championship.
In 2011 he switched to Left Tackle due to needs and played the entire year as the LT and won a National Championship.
In 2012 he switched to Center due to needs and won a National Championship in one of the best lines ever at Alabama. He played in the NCG injured.
He then got drafted in the 4th round.
3 national championships as a starter. And I seriously doubt rivals had him as the #1 center considering he was listed as an OT.
So I don't see how rating him as a 4 star can be seen as him being over-rated. Would love to sign someone like him every fricking year.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 1:29 pm to RollTide1987
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Alabama's recruiting classes might be underrated.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 1:33 pm to KennesawTiger
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100% irrelevant to the conversation, but ok buddy.
Whether the player ended up being one of the most successful and decorated players in the history of college football (including winning the Rimington trophy for being the best center in college football) is 100% irrelevant to whether Rivals correctly predicted he could be one of the best centers coming out of HS? Very interesting.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 1:35 pm to 3down10
Bama recruiting is over rated. Look at Barret Jones he was only an All American and 3 time, that's 3 TIME, National Champion. LSU recruits get unfairly lowered in rankings, Bama has only beaten us 10 of 11. That's proof right there we are just as good! Truly a lot of Bama jealousy. The GOAT program. Here's a clue the recruiting is rated just right. Look at the success.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 1:58 pm to RollTide1987
I mean, you fricks lose every year and get a pass. The two aren't connected.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 2:08 pm to WG_Dawg
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What people are saying is that when a player commits to alabama they will often shoot up the rankings, thereby improving alabama's class ranking.
It's almost like Nick Saban is pretty damned good at evaluating talent - maybe even better than the recruiting services are. Josh Jacobs was a freaking three star RB from Oklahoma when Saban offered him. This raised eyebrows because Alabama was considered set at the position. The recruiting services went back and looked back at his film, saw something, and re-rated him a four star. He ended up going in the first round of the 2019 NFL Draft and does a pretty damned good job for the Raiders.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 2:08 pm to 3down10
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And I seriously doubt rivals had him as the #1 center considering he was listed as an OT.
Barrett Jones rivals profile. #1 Center
Posted on 1/28/22 at 2:11 pm to elposter
Yeah. It's funny how people are using a future College Football Hall of Famer in Barrett Jones as proof that there is a Bama bump.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 2:13 pm to RollTide1987
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Yeah. It's funny how people are using a future College Football Hall of Famer in Barrett Jones as proof that there is a Bama bump
It's more the fact that he was rated the #1 center in the country, even though he had never played center before in his life and didn't until he was a senior in college.
It's an easy way to maniuplate the rankings.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 2:17 pm to PP7 for heisman
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It's more the fact that he was rated the #1 center in the country, even though he had never played center before in his life and didn't until he was a senior in college.
Was he originally listed on Rivals as a Center or was that changed retroactively after he moved positions? Because 247 Sports lists him as an Offensive Tackle on their website.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 2:19 pm to elposter
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Which organization dropped him from a 5 star to a 4 star and when did it happen?
247, and here is a link to one of their articles mentioning him as a 5 star in October (when he was already committed to LSU). So they dropped him to a 4 star after he was committed.
I guarantee that wouldn’t have happened if he went to Bama.
LINK
This post was edited on 1/28/22 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 1/28/22 at 2:22 pm to PP7 for heisman
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It's more the fact that he was rated the #1 center in the country, even though he had never played center before in his life and didn't until he was a senior in college.
Does a team get extra points in the class rankings for being the #1 center over, say, the #3 guard or the #5 tackle if you have the same rating? Tell us more about Rival's Barrett Jones conspiracy that put Alabama over the top in the recruiting rankings.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 2:23 pm to RollTide1987
I'm not sure. I do remember that rivals was the OG bama bump suspect though, so that may have been their reasoning for putting him at C
The recruting business is one where the more competition does not equal the better product. Now you have 3 HUGE websites all competing for subscriber dollars, and the best way to do that is to cater to the biggest fan base.
Now I'm not saying that's why certain guys are ranked in certain places, but it certainly sells subs and drives clicks.
The recruting business is one where the more competition does not equal the better product. Now you have 3 HUGE websites all competing for subscriber dollars, and the best way to do that is to cater to the biggest fan base.
Now I'm not saying that's why certain guys are ranked in certain places, but it certainly sells subs and drives clicks.
This post was edited on 1/28/22 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 1/28/22 at 2:24 pm to WG_Dawg
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Now..there is obviously some logical thinking behind this. If a guy is good enough for a scholarhip at bama, it's enirely possible that he may have been very undervalued in the 200s or wherever, and may warrant being higher. BUT, even if that was 10000% true, rivals needs to stop pretending it isn't true. They should just own it and say it. "yeah, bama offered this guy so we raised his ranking. If he's good enough for saban he's good enough to be int eh top 100". Instead of hemming and hawing about how they now have "more film" or he did good at camp or something.
You don't think that player would have multiple offers? I mean if Saban wants him then so do a bunch of other teams....and its not just because Bama wants him its because he is a really good player.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 2:25 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Barrett Jones got the Bama bump in college too….
Yeah. It's funny how people are using a future College Football Hall of Famer in Barrett Jones as proof that there is a Bama bump.
Dude couldn’t even hang around a practice squad in the NFL, yet we are supposed to believe he is one of the best college offensive lineman of all time? It doesn’t add up at all
Line isn’t a position like QB where you can be good in college due to different scheme. If you are truly an all time elite college offensive lineman you should also be great in the NFL. It’s clear th guy was terribly overrated
This post was edited on 1/28/22 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 1/28/22 at 2:25 pm to WG_Dawg
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Not a soul is calling them overrated. What people are saying is that when a player commits to alabama they will often shoot up the rankings, thereby improving alabama's class ranking.
Just like SBIV proved weeks ago (compared to the other UGA QB's in the stable), I'll take a Josh Jacobs who none wanted compared to many 5 stars. Kid slept on the floor until college and there is a former DB for Oklahoma who is still scarred from his encounter with Jacobs in a playoff round.
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