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re: John Wooden or Paul "Bear" Bryant
Posted on 6/5/10 at 3:36 pm to bamascott2
Posted on 6/5/10 at 3:36 pm to bamascott2
Wooden
Bryant
That comparison is so bogus it's funny. Since 1939 there has been 8 undefeated basketball teams....Wooden coached half of the total. I stopped counting undefeated football teams during the same period at 30.
You make it sound like Bryant's accomplishment is on par.
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Undefeated teams - 4
1-loss teams - 3
2-loss teams - 2
Bryant
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Undefeated teams - 4
1-loss teams - 11
2-loss teams - 9
That comparison is so bogus it's funny. Since 1939 there has been 8 undefeated basketball teams....Wooden coached half of the total. I stopped counting undefeated football teams during the same period at 30.
You make it sound like Bryant's accomplishment is on par.
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Posted on 6/5/10 at 4:03 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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Rockne, Bowden, Paterno, Hayes, Robinson, Yost, Osbourne, Stagg, Warner...
Rockne: 105-12-5, coached for 13 years only, all at Notre Dame. Can a 13 year coaching career at a school that has advantages other schools don't have access to really qualify one as an all-time great? If Urban Meyer quit now, would you call hime one of the all-time greats?
Bowden: 377-129-4, coached 12 years longer than Bryant, and only has 54 more wins.
Paterno: 394-129-3, helluva coach. Has coached 6 years longer than Bryant.
Hayes: 219-66-10, awesome right jab.
Robinson: 408-167-16, coached at Grambling, the Notre Dame of HBCs. Coached 19 years longer than Bryant and only has 85 more wins.
Yost: 190-34-10, coached 9 less years than Bryant and has 133 less wins.
Osbourne: 255-49-3, this is a legit coach that stacks up well with Bryant. Good choice.
Stagg: 330-190-35. You really think a 0.626 winning percentage qualifies as great? The dude coached 17 more years than Bryant and only has 7 more wins.
Warner: 318-106-32. Coached 6 years longer than Bryant and has 5 less wins. And 74 of his wins were at Carlisle Indian School. Are you serious?
I'm impressed with your choices, though.
Posted on 6/5/10 at 4:24 pm to arrakis
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That comparison is so bogus it's funny. Since 1939 there has been 8 undefeated basketball teams....Wooden coached half of the total. I stopped counting undefeated football teams during the same period at 30.
You make it sound like Bryant's accomplishment is on par.
I also said it's hard to compare the two directly due to the differences in the sports and the scheduling. All we have are the records and what they meant to their respective sports, and individually. The records are all we have that have a direct bearing on their legacies.
Bryant has been revered, mostly by us gumps, the same way that Wooden has been revered since his retirement in '75...and I have no doubt his persona has been elevated further by his death last night. Wooden was a great man.
Posted on 6/5/10 at 4:31 pm to bamascott2
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Rockne: 105-12-5, coached for 13 years only, all at Notre Dame. Can a 13 year coaching career at a school that has advantages other schools don't have access to really qualify one as an all-time great? If Urban Meyer quit now, would you call hime one of the all-time greats?
Bowden: 377-129-4, coached 12 years longer than Bryant, and only has 54 more wins.
Paterno: 394-129-3, helluva coach. Has coached 6 years longer than Bryant.
Hayes: 219-66-10, awesome right jab.
Robinson: 408-167-16, coached at Grambling, the Notre Dame of HBCs. Coached 19 years longer than Bryant and only has 85 more wins.
Yost: 190-34-10, coached 9 less years than Bryant and has 133 less wins.
Osbourne: 255-49-3, this is a legit coach that stacks up well with Bryant. Good choice.
Stagg: 330-190-35. You really think a 0.626 winning percentage qualifies as great? The dude coached 17 more years than Bryant and only has 7 more wins.
Warner: 318-106-32. Coached 6 years longer than Bryant and has 5 less wins. And 74 of his wins were at Carlisle Indian School. Are you serious?
I'm impressed with your choices, though.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 1:21 am to MagillaGuerilla
In Rockne's defense, didn't he die while he was still coaching? And to the auburn fan a few pages back that was acting like all Bama fans were picking Coach Bryant, check the ENTIRE thread..
Posted on 6/6/10 at 1:32 am to bamaboy87
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In Rockne's defense, didn't he die while he was still coaching?
He did. Plane crash.
I was just throwing out names before, not knowing stats. Some of those coaches I mentioned because of their overall impact on the game (including Rockne, and also, ND was not "ND" before he was there), not necessarily record. College football might literally be a totally different game without them.
This post was edited on 6/6/10 at 1:35 am
Posted on 6/6/10 at 2:02 am to Buckeye Fan 19
Of course. They all influenced the game in some way and a lot of them paved the way for future coaches as well. You have to respect how all these great coaches changed their particular sport, regardless of whether people call them cheaters or not (which is stupid BTW because they did the same thing EVERY coach did...the more successful coaches were just better at it). Anyone that believes coaches like that were clean is retarded. Even Woody Hayes wasn't clean. Doesn't make him any less great though
Posted on 6/6/10 at 2:29 am to Bench McElroy
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Who was the greater coach in their respective sport? I have to go with Bryant because he didn't need Sam Gilbert's money to win.
The Bear isn't in the same league as Wooden. No coach will ever be. To even put the two in a comparison is laughable.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 2:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
You can't really compare the two anyway. Completely different sports. But despite that, Wooden dominated basketball in a way that NOBODY has ever been able to do in football.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 3:13 am to bamaboy87
Its impossible to compare the two, but its not a stretch to say going undefeated in football is exponentially more difficult than going undefeated in a 10 game football season. Woodens back to back to back to.....well, you get it will never be duplicated. His teams dominated a sport for a decade. Paul Bryant has some peers in the college football coaching fraternity. Wooden has no peers.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 3:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
Exactly. Wooden had complete domination. But Bryant is still the greatest college football coach of all time 
Posted on 6/6/10 at 6:51 am to bamaboy87
Wooden. No one prepared his players better through simple, precise practice, and no one achieved his results, including the 88-game in streak.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 6:54 am to Bench McElroy
I hate Alabama. That being said, Bryant is the best coach in the history of college football, and despite bending the rules, he's still nowhere near John Wooden as far as cheating goes.
I understand cheating goes on in college sports, and the Bear certainly did cheat, but come on. Wooden spent the majority of his career as a coach who would lose around 10 games, then suddenly, Sam Gilbert gets "involved," and they use college football like a pinata for the rest of his tenure.
I understand cheating goes on in college sports, and the Bear certainly did cheat, but come on. Wooden spent the majority of his career as a coach who would lose around 10 games, then suddenly, Sam Gilbert gets "involved," and they use college football like a pinata for the rest of his tenure.
This post was edited on 6/6/10 at 8:49 am
Posted on 6/6/10 at 7:04 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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Rockne, Bowden, Paterno, Hayes, Robinson, Yost, Osbourne, Stagg, Warner...
Hayes, Bowden, and Paterno aren't really that close. Hayes is the closest, and he's not in anyway bad, but he's clearly behind the Bear. Osborne's roid program at Nebraska was ridiculous, as well. The remaining guys on the list coached before college football was even close to being as competitive, and I find it harder to compare. Eddie Robinson was obviously good, but I can't really compare him that easily. It's impressive that he won that many Black College National Championships, but I can't really say I think he's close to the Bear. The teams may have had plenty of talent pre-integration, but most of his accomplishments were after that, and I don't really know anything about any of the coaches he went up against.
This post was edited on 6/6/10 at 8:48 am
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:14 am to ohiovol
Wooden was blessed with some great players. No coach can win when his recruitment is shite. I mean come on.... the guy had Lew Al Cindor (sp)
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:42 am to BamaInHsv
Bear Bryant was the cheating at recruiting more than anyone, and was a drunk. He was a great coach however, but Wooden dominated like no other during his time.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:48 am to BamaInHsv
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Wooden was blessed with some great players. No coach can win when his recruitment is shite. I mean come on.... the guy had Lew Al Cindor (sp)
What were you responding too?
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:22 am to ohiovol
Have been watching the Wooden fest on ESPN Classic since his death. Based upon interviews with his former players and media in the LA area, the movie that had Shaq and Penny in it should have been called "Powder Blue Chips". The degree of cheating and buying of players that went on at UCLA during its heyday and Wooden's tenure is beyond belief.
After seeing these interviews, my respect for Coach Wooden took a BIG hit. For him to sit there (during an interview) and kind of smile and say he has his ideas things might be going on, but he was not sure is plain lying. Maybe the top of his pyramid should have the block called "Cheat if you can to get what you want and then deny it".
After seeing these interviews, my respect for Coach Wooden took a BIG hit. For him to sit there (during an interview) and kind of smile and say he has his ideas things might be going on, but he was not sure is plain lying. Maybe the top of his pyramid should have the block called "Cheat if you can to get what you want and then deny it".
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:24 am to Bench McElroy
Trying to compare the two is a disservice to both, IMO.
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