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re: John Bond to release tapes in two weeks....
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:54 pm to Porky
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:54 pm to Porky
NCAA does not have subpoena power
The entire Reggie Bush case would have never come to light after he left USC... if he had just swallowed his pride and paid off that agent that his parents received money and housing from
The only big stick they (the NCAA) really have is to threaten the eligibility of a player... so they can say "turn over this information or your eligibility is in question"... but that's about it
Once you've left college they really don't have any power over you at all... the school and the coach are the only ones left holding the bag
The entire Reggie Bush case would have never come to light after he left USC... if he had just swallowed his pride and paid off that agent that his parents received money and housing from
The only big stick they (the NCAA) really have is to threaten the eligibility of a player... so they can say "turn over this information or your eligibility is in question"... but that's about it
Once you've left college they really don't have any power over you at all... the school and the coach are the only ones left holding the bag
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Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:55 pm to Aman
FWIW, and this is merely my opinion, the NCAA is gradually building their case against Auburn. They didn't want a knee-jerk reaction when they knew they might have merely scraped the top of the iceberg. I think the NCAA will come down on Auburn, but it won't be til they have enough evidence to not just come down, but come down hard.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:55 pm to Aman
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The NCAA can not force someone to testify or subpoena evidence. They can investigate all they want but nobody has to speak with them. That is why it is damn hard for them to prove a major violation.
Well, I will guarantee you the IRS does. Why would anyone making the allegations that he is making want to hide evidence?
He's full of shite.
This post was edited on 2/28/11 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:55 pm to Porky
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I'm not sure about that. Do they have attorneys?
What would attorneys have to do with it? The NCAA does not have any subpoena power regardless of how many top lawyers they may have.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:56 pm to Porky
quote:Yes the NCAA has attorneys (hell, most of the people that work for the NCAA have some form of legal background I think) but attorney's can't subpoena anything.
The NCAA does not have subpoena power.
I'm not sure about that. Do they have attorneys?
A subpoena is a writ by a government agency, in most cases issued by a court - typically issued by the court clerk in the name of the presiding judge.
For an attorney for the NCAA to request a subpoena you would have to have a court case already in progress. So until someone takes this to court the NCAA can't really do squat about the tapes, if there are any.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:57 pm to RLDSC FAN
Only a liar would not want to reveal the "evidence".
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:57 pm to Sofa King Crimson
Why were these tapes not presented to the NCAA?
Why are they taking four months to just now come out?
Is it true they are trying to sell the tapes?
The investigations as they pertain to Bond, Bell, and Rogers have seemingly run their course, what motive do they have to stir it up again, unless it is money.
Why are they taking four months to just now come out?
Is it true they are trying to sell the tapes?
The investigations as they pertain to Bond, Bell, and Rogers have seemingly run their course, what motive do they have to stir it up again, unless it is money.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:58 pm to Porky
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Why would anyone making the allegations that he is making want to hide evidence?
There could be a number of reasons, but here are a few:
1. $$$
2. potential to look like the "bad guy" bringing down the SEC in a sense
3. the potential his school (MSU) could continue to be wrapped up in this thing
4. he didn't hide the evidence, he turned it over to the NCAA and they've still done nothing about it and he's growing restless
5. He's been approached by so many people that want the tapes, it's just taken time to figure out who to allow access to them
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:59 pm to Sofa King Crimson
Pardon me for being a skeptical about this latest 'revelation'.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:59 pm to JPLSU1981
The whole thing doesn't make much sense to me.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 3:00 pm to FrontRow25
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You people believe in Redfish? That just made my day. Thanks for the laugh.
you people still think Auburn did buy Cam. That just made my day. Thanks for the laugh slapdick
Posted on 2/28/11 at 3:01 pm to CP3LSU25
Him and his father are criminal masterminds of the highest order with how well they've hidden the money we've paid him.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 3:02 pm to Ross
Even though I'm definitely intrigued by this developing story, I don't think the alleged tapes really change much.
Most reasonable people know that Cam Newton was shopped around AND that Cam likely knew about it. There are very few people, if any, that dispute either of those things. So the tapes really don't change a whole lot IMO.
Some will say "if there's proof Cam knew, why has the NCAA still done nothing?" My answer would be that I think it is impatient and incorrect to assume at this point that the NCAA has done nothing. The NCAA is in the midst of a pretty intensive investigation of all things Auburn, and I'd be highly surprised if something doesn't come from all of this within the next 1-3 years. Will it be specifically related to the Newton situation? maybe, maybe not, as there are certainly some legal and PR loopholes for the NCAA to wade through, but the Newton investigation certainly kickstarted a focused NCAA probe of Auburn recruiting, that's for sure.
It's natural for us to all want something definitive from the NCAA NOW, but that's just not how the process works.
Most reasonable people know that Cam Newton was shopped around AND that Cam likely knew about it. There are very few people, if any, that dispute either of those things. So the tapes really don't change a whole lot IMO.
Some will say "if there's proof Cam knew, why has the NCAA still done nothing?" My answer would be that I think it is impatient and incorrect to assume at this point that the NCAA has done nothing. The NCAA is in the midst of a pretty intensive investigation of all things Auburn, and I'd be highly surprised if something doesn't come from all of this within the next 1-3 years. Will it be specifically related to the Newton situation? maybe, maybe not, as there are certainly some legal and PR loopholes for the NCAA to wade through, but the Newton investigation certainly kickstarted a focused NCAA probe of Auburn recruiting, that's for sure.
It's natural for us to all want something definitive from the NCAA NOW, but that's just not how the process works.
This post was edited on 2/28/11 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 2/28/11 at 3:03 pm to FrontRow25
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Could have been waiting for the highest bidder.
As much as a lot of us wish this to be true, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. Do you not think that if money is all it took to make these tapes known, that some rich Bama booster would not have come up with it. Would that have been illegal to buy tapes for such information?
If these guys had tapes that would have changed the decision of the SEC and the NCAA and they didn't come forward, wouldn't that be illegal in some way? What's the ruling on taping conversations in general? Something just sounds fishy.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 3:03 pm to Ross
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Why were these tapes not presented to the NCAA?
Why are they taking four months to just now come out?
Is it true they are trying to sell the tapes?
The investigations as they pertain to Bond, Bell, and Rogers have seemingly run their course, what motive do they have to stir it up again, unless it is money.
Why did it take five years for the NCAA to hammer USC? I seem to remember emails or other communications coming to light in that case years after Bush left USC.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 3:04 pm to Ross
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Why were these tapes not presented to the NCAA?
Why are they taking four months to just now come out?
Is it true they are trying to sell the tapes?
The investigations as they pertain to Bond, Bell, and Rogers have seemingly run their course, what motive do they have to stir it up again, unless it is money.
It's ALL about the money Ross. Anything to do with Cecil Newton and Cam Newton has to do with MONEY. Anybody connected to Cecil Newton is in it for the money. That's why it is SO difficult for anyone to believe that Cecil sent Cam to Auburn for FREE!
Posted on 2/28/11 at 3:05 pm to molsusports
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The entire Reggie Bush case would have never come to light after he left USC... if he had just swallowed his pride and paid off that agent that his parents received money and housing from
USC had A LOT more going for it than just Reggie Bush.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 3:06 pm to JPLSU1981
I agree with Mullen that lots of people has been tainted by all of this.
You have an MSU alum with supposed tapes. You know the powers that be at MSU have to love having that hot potato. You got a Bama alum running around pimping these tapes on his show like he is the second coming of Cecil Newton. Lord Master Saban has to be thrilled with that. AU needs no explanation, they ended up with the prize.
You have an MSU alum with supposed tapes. You know the powers that be at MSU have to love having that hot potato. You got a Bama alum running around pimping these tapes on his show like he is the second coming of Cecil Newton. Lord Master Saban has to be thrilled with that. AU needs no explanation, they ended up with the prize.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 3:06 pm to Ross
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The whole thing doesn't make much sense to me.
Agree. If what Bond is saying is true, then the underlying premise is that the SEC and NCAA intentionally lied to the entire country about not having any evidence of Cam knowing that he was being shopped.
Therefore, if the NCAA is proven to be a liar on such a grand scale, you almost have to either (a) disband the NCAA and start from scratch in view of what has transpired and its national championship implications, or (b) fire everyone of authority in the NCAA and SEC from Emmert and Slive on down.
It makes no sense and therefore, I think Bond is the one that ends up looking like a complete fool. He has been saying for a month now that he is going to release tapes. It is either not going to happen or it is going to not be anywhere near the revelations that they are claiming.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 3:07 pm to Aman
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Why did it take five years for the NCAA to hammer USC? I seem to remember emails or other communications coming to light in that case years after Bush left USC.
The investigation centered around these characters for an awfully long time before the NCAA made that initial ruling. Seems as though there would have been some mention of these tapes in all of the digging.
It doesn't add up.
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