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re: Jimbo can’t coach
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:42 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:42 am to SidewalkTiger
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Their defenses have far better players than 95% of teams they face.
Texas A&M had far better players than most of the teams they faced this season, excluding Alabama.
Still took four losses and could've easily lost to Colorado.
Not really. Calzada was one of the worst QB's in the SEC or among P5 programs and the OL was in rebuild. WR talent was meh. Defensively? Very good to great. RB and TE? Sure.
Still if you are lacking at the QB position that's the most damaging or if you have a great QB they can make up for a LOT of other shortfalls.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:43 am to geauxnavybeatbama
Brian Kelly is your coach
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:49 am to aggressor
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Still if you are lacking at the QB position that's the most damaging or if you have a great QB they can make up for a LOT of other shortfalls.
Realistically, we don't know that King would've been much better.
That's on Jimbo, quarterbacks are supposed to be his specialty.
It was also baffling why he threw the ball as much as they did in several of their games.
Achane was absolutely gashing LSU at one point yet Jimbo totally gets away from that and starts throwing again.
Then there was the utter inexplicably playcall on either 3rd or 4th and short where he rolled Calzada out to his left.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:52 am to SidewalkTiger
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Texas A&M had far better players than most of the teams they faced this season, excluding Alabama.
We had an absolute dud at QB. It proved to be very hard to overcome that. I will say that I agree that once he saw what he had after the Colorado game he should have adjusted the game plan to tailor his qb’s limitations. I think one of his biggest faults is he pushes his quarterbacks to be much greater than they are instead of playing within their skill set.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:58 am to Colonel Ingus
A guy who can’t coach does that
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:00 pm to Colonel Ingus
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I think one of his biggest faults is he pushes his quarterbacks to be much greater than they are instead of playing within their skill set.
It seems the type of quarterbacks he gravitates toward aren't really good fits for what he tries to do on the field either.
Haynes King is a terrible fit for Jimbo's system IMO, Max Johnson is better but still not great.
But then Jimbo's system almost requires an elite level quarterback to really work.
There isn't much adaptation within his system and from Jimbo himself to the quarterback's skill set.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:15 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Jimbo can’t coach
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Still if you are lacking at the QB position that's the most damaging or if you have a great QB they can make up for a LOT of other shortfalls.
Realistically, we don't know that King would've been much better.
That's on Jimbo, quarterbacks are supposed to be his specialty.
It was also baffling why he threw the ball as much as they did in several of their games.
Achane was absolutely gashing LSU at one point yet Jimbo totally gets away from that and starts throwing again.
Then there was the utter inexplicably playcall on either 3rd or 4th and short where he rolled Calzada out to his left.
Ok, but you are making a different point. The point was that A&M had far more talent than other teams they faced and I pointed out that at QB that was not the case. It's fair to criticize Jimbo for not having a better backup when King went down and to say we aren't sure how good King was going to be but that's a different point. No doubt King's ability to scramble and run would have helped a ton this year with an inexperienced OL. Calzada was a mid level 3 Star QB and that's basically how he played, great at times but average to poor most of the time. The amount of 3 and outs A&M had this year due to execution mistakes by Calzada was just staggering and costly, he missed more screen passes than any QB I have ever seen. Jimbo had no other options as our Freshman QB hurt his shoulder before the season to the point he had to convert to TE and didn't play at all so 3 QB's became 1 in a hurry and he had to roll with Calzada.
I have no doubt Jimbo would like to change some of the playcalls from the LSU game but you can criticize playcalling on any coach. Lots of other reasons we lost the LSU game as well.
There is no doubt luck plays a big part in CFB. That's why you have to look at the longer timeline and not the individual game if you want a real picture on a coach. Jimbo has flaws but he also has a long list of accomplishments. I just find the premise of "he can't coach" to be ridiculous.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:15 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
Jimbo's whole offense, especially the passing offense is a joke. No creativity at all and that's why it's easy to predict and defend against. Jimbo is stuck in the early 2000's. He'll never win the SEC West.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:26 pm to aggressor
If you look at Jimbo compared to Kirby in their first 6 seasons they’re almost identical, with Jimbo barely edging out Kirby. (Jimbo’s tenure at FSU)
I don’t think Jimbo is some offensive mastermind. I don’t think that Kirby is either. I think they are both great recruiters. I think they’re both great program builders.
I think that A&M was a much longer rebuild than Georgia. Hell Kirby inherited a team that just came off 2 ten win seasons and it still took him 6 years to beat saban.
I don’t think Jimbo is some offensive mastermind. I don’t think that Kirby is either. I think they are both great recruiters. I think they’re both great program builders.
I think that A&M was a much longer rebuild than Georgia. Hell Kirby inherited a team that just came off 2 ten win seasons and it still took him 6 years to beat saban.
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Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:43 pm to aggressor
Jimbo feasted on a weak ACC until it caught up to him and he has been mediocre at best in a big boy league.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:47 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
Oh wow, you found a thread someone made right after a loss that shouldnt have happened when emotions were running high. Dang, and I thought it was only sidewalk tiger who creeped our board regularly.
If you look further down the thread, i'll stick with the same response I had then.
Most Aggie fans will tell you he made some head scratching decisions in the middle of games last year (like abandoning the run late in the arkansas game) and he needs to improve at that or give playcalling to someone else (probably wont happen). Thats it, everything else he does is top notch and he runs a program well.
If you look further down the thread, i'll stick with the same response I had then.
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Jimbo can coach, he can recruit, he can scheme…. But he probably isn’t the best game day coach.
I think he needs to hire an OC and give them actual play calling duties, and we would be a better team and more competitive for it.
Most Aggie fans will tell you he made some head scratching decisions in the middle of games last year (like abandoning the run late in the arkansas game) and he needs to improve at that or give playcalling to someone else (probably wont happen). Thats it, everything else he does is top notch and he runs a program well.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:51 pm to SidewalkTiger
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But then Jimbo's system almost requires an elite level quarterback to really work.
Name anybody's system that doesnt take a very good QB to work, this is always the weirdest talking point. When was the last time the national champions didnt have an extremely good QB? Some people will probably argue this year with Georgia's Bennett, but it's probably the game manager QBs of Saban's earlier teams like AJ McCarron. And if you dont have an elite QB, you better have a ton of talent around him if you want to win a championship anyways.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:56 pm to Colonel Ingus
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Do you think Kirby, Dabo and Saban are masterminds?
I think it’s fair to say all 3 are great coaches. Saban is the goat. Kirby just had the best defense of the CFP era. Dabo is the only coach to win natty without top 5 classes in recent memory.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:57 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
Jimbo is a Saban mentored guy.
The aTm recruiting ranking compared to historical rankins say he has learned all he needs to learn
1. Who has the money
2. Who provides the network of delivering it to recruits.
Just like the OTHER little sawed off prick
The aTm recruiting ranking compared to historical rankins say he has learned all he needs to learn
1. Who has the money
2. Who provides the network of delivering it to recruits.
Just like the OTHER little sawed off prick
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:59 pm to Colonel Ingus
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Hell Kirby inherited a team that just came off 2 ten win seasons
And he had UGA’s best season in 40 years in year 2, winning the SEC and winning a playoff game.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:03 pm to Texas Gentleman
UGA didn't just win a natty with a great offense; they won with great defense and balanced offense that could run the football in the 4th quarter. This is what A&M has been building towards since Jimbo arrived but have lacked an exceptional QB that could routinely make defenses pay for stacking the box. I think A&M will have one in King or Weigman finally if not both.
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Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:31 pm to Texas Gentleman
Remember this from aggy 2021 (Jimbo's 4th at aggy):
Jimbo lost Arkansas (Pittman 2nd yr)
Jimbo lost to Miss State (Leach 2nd yr)
Jimbo lost to Ole Miss (Kiffin 2nd yr)
Jimbo lost to LSU (Orgeron already fired- FIRED!)
All with a QB in his 3rd yr in the aggy program and aggy with a SIGNIFICANT talent edge all over the field - yes even against LSU. Oh - and we all know about being afraid to play Wake Forest (WAKE FOREST!). You'd think that a $9M coach would at least been good enough to win 2 of the 4 above, right?. Let all this sink in and you'll come to the same conclusion - Jimbo will never win the SEC West.
Jimbo lost Arkansas (Pittman 2nd yr)
Jimbo lost to Miss State (Leach 2nd yr)
Jimbo lost to Ole Miss (Kiffin 2nd yr)
Jimbo lost to LSU (Orgeron already fired- FIRED!)
All with a QB in his 3rd yr in the aggy program and aggy with a SIGNIFICANT talent edge all over the field - yes even against LSU. Oh - and we all know about being afraid to play Wake Forest (WAKE FOREST!). You'd think that a $9M coach would at least been good enough to win 2 of the 4 above, right?. Let all this sink in and you'll come to the same conclusion - Jimbo will never win the SEC West.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:33 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
Jimbo can coach but he can’t win a NC there. Neither could The Bear. No one can.
Pretender U
Pretender U
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:47 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
Orgeron couldn’t read.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:49 pm to McNet
Jimbo beat Saban and Bama. If he is capable of doing that he is capable of winning the West. A&M did not have a significant talent edge in those 4 games and especially at the QB position. Next year that won't be the case though.
The next 2-3 years will tell the tale with Jimbo. In that next 2-3 years he should win a minimum of 10 games each year and he should win the West and go to the Playoff if not win a Natty. Anything less than that is a disappointment.
The next 2-3 years will tell the tale with Jimbo. In that next 2-3 years he should win a minimum of 10 games each year and he should win the West and go to the Playoff if not win a Natty. Anything less than that is a disappointment.
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