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re: Jalen Milroe. The Sobering Truth From an NFL Scout...
Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:47 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:47 am to RollTide1987
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Couldn't care less where he goes in the NFL Draft or if he is relegated to the UFL or CFL. If he can be good enough at Alabama to lead us to a national championship that is all that is required of him in my book.
And he clearly hasn’t been capable of that.
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:58 am to Stidham8
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Stidham8
LOL. Hey look at the maroon that declared Saban couldn't recruit in the NIL era, then changed the title of the thread after being mocked so badly. More recently he guaranteed Ryan Williams was an Auburn lock, right up to the day RW signed with Alabama.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:01 am to Stidham8
The good thing about Deboer is he is more offensive minded than Saban. Deboer will make sure Bama has REAL QBs and not just athletes playing out of position. Deboer is having to clean up a mess at QB that Saban left. Deboer would have never allowed a Milroe type situation to get to the level it has. When Milroe leaves Deboer can start fresh there.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 11:03 am to Opry
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The good thing about Deboer is he is more offensive minded than Saban. Deboer will make sure Bama has REAL QBs and not just athletes playing out of position. Deboer is having to clean up a mess at QB that Saban left. Deboer would have never allowed a Milroe type situation to get to the level it has. When Milroe leaves Deboer can start fresh there.
Coach DeBoer has a 5 star QB in Ty Simpson who had a great spring game and now has a lot of college experience. Most people thought that Ty would exit stage left as soon as Kalen DeBoer was hired. Son of a college football head coach and a ton of talent, are you predicting that Ty Simpson will beat out Jalen Milroe? Why would Ty Simpson or Dylan Lonegan, have to wait til next year, when Coach DeBoer is now the HC? The facts are, that if Jalen beats these guys out he's doing exactly what Coach Saban was doing. Putting the best QB in the game as the starter.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 11:10 am to bamameister
I do think Simpson is more talented and probably should the best qb for this year. It just depends on how Deboer wants to handle it. There is a lot of things Deboer has to think about and balance, especially the team chemistry. But I believe he will ultimately go with Simpson. Next year this will not be a problem. There is a reason Milroe is trying to so hard in the social area to self-promote himself as the unchallenged starter.
This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 11:17 am
Posted on 7/22/24 at 11:35 am to Opry
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I do think Simpson is more talented and probably should the best qb for this year. It just depends on how Deboer wants to handle it. There is a lot of things Deboer has to think about and balance, especially the team chemistry. But I believe he will ultimately go with Simpson. Next year this will not be a problem. There is a reason Milroe is trying to so hard in the social area to self-promote himself as the unchallenged starter.
I love people who think they know more about the players based on a few plays/scrimmages than the coaches and staff that spend every practice with them. It's always impossible that they are wrong, the coaches are just having to do the opposite things "because they can't do what they really want"
This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 11:36 am
Posted on 7/22/24 at 11:37 am to Opry
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I do think Simpson is more talented and probably should the best qb for this year. It just depends on how Deboer wants to handle it. There is a lot of things Deboer has to think about and balance, especially the team chemistry. But I believe he will ultimately go with Simpson. Next year this will not be a problem. There is a reason Milroe is trying to so hard in the social area to self-promote himself as the unchallenged starter.
Someone needs to tell Coach DeBoer how next year is going to go. All he has done in every media interview I've seen is praise Jalen's skill set. Was that Jalen Milroe at SEC Media Day or Ty Simpson? This is what Coach DeBoer said at Media Days:
"Coach DeBoer has been complimentary of Milroe since landing in Tuscaloosa on Jan. 12, and that continued on Wednesday morning during his time at the Omni Dallas Hotel.
“He’s got a skill set that is special,” DeBoer said of Milroe. “With his arm, he can make you pay and he can make the throws, and I think he’s continued to grow in that area, building confidence in himself, just tirelessly working with the receiving corps, actually all the skill players, just to be on the same page.
“I think he’s continued to expand on his game with the different throws he can make. Down the field he’s been strong. A year ago, he was one of the best in the country with down-the-field throws. I think he’s continued to work on those higher-percentage throws that you need to move the chains and all of that.”
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Jalen has already beaten out Ty Simpson and I suggest he has an entirely different definition of what a "mess" is than you.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 11:41 am to BasedCrimson
Scout just said everything we already know.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:28 pm to BasedCrimson
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he really just went from horrible to decent.
In his first year as a starter:
66% completion percentage
10 YPA
35 total TDs, just six picks
530 yards rushing
172.2 passing efficiency
I think Bama fans are sandbagging, or are the harsh assessments of Milroe on here about losing to Michigan? Michigan held 12 of their opponents to fewer points than they surrendered to Alabama, including a lethal Washington team. That defense was capital E elite.
I think Milroe is going to be freaking great in year 2 as a starter, especially studying under DeBoer.
This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 7/24/24 at 9:14 am to LetItBe
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or are the harsh assessments of Milroe on here about losing to Michigan?
Many in our fanbase decided after he got thrown into starting against A&M when Bryce got hurt that he was garbage, and he'd never be a "real QB." This believe was sent into overdrive after the Texas game.
When Milroe was benched for the USF game, everyone saw exactly how bad our oline was, and how bad/not ready our backup QBs were. Still, these folks exclaimed that Simpson didn't play as bad as we all saw, he wasn't getting a fair shot, and our Oline played bad on purpose in protest.
Then when Milroe got put back at 1, and began to string together good to great performances, some reluctantly started to admit that he isn't that bad. And some still were absolutely certain that Simpson should be starting, and Milroe was still trash. Then after the Michigan game, all bets were off, the haters had confirmation, the fence sitters hopped back over, and even the believers started to doubt.
The truth is often times in the middle, and I think that that is the case here. He didn't show last season that he is ready for the NFL, but he did show development, elite playmaking ability, and more than anything-poise. Those ingredients are sufficient for a very good college QB. With great coaching, which it seems he has right now, then its very possible that he could emerge as a viable NFL prospect for the '25 draft.
Posted on 7/24/24 at 9:33 am to Funky Tide 8
And some of us just believe our own eyes, watching wide open receivers that don’t get a look, snd see him holding the ball longer than any other qb in the nation, and sometimes running INTO the rush, like the last play of the season, and consider that the passing offense was like 70 in the nation last year, and realize he’s just an average qb. Now, however, he has an opportunity to prove he has improved. Rees is gone, McLaughlin (sp?) is gone, and the new coach has a history of producing prolific offenses. It’s time for him to execute. No more excuses.
Posted on 7/24/24 at 9:37 am to John Milner
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watching wide open receivers that don’t get a look,
I don't recall our WRs running wide open much last year. They had trouble getting separation in most games.
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snd see him holding the ball longer than any other qb in the nation, and sometimes running INTO the rush
Yes, there clearly things he wasn't good at last season. No one really disputes that. But folks like you harp solely on the bad, and always fail to mention any of the positive, or the improvements he made as last season progressed.
This post was edited on 7/24/24 at 9:38 am
Posted on 7/24/24 at 9:43 am to Funky Tide 8
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Yes, there clearly things he wasn't good at last season. No one really disputes that. But folks like you harp solely on the bad, and always fail to mention any of the positive, or the improvements he made as last season progressed.
When I say he is average that would imply that he is sometimes good. For that matter he makes some great plays but too often he also makes some really bad plays. Consistently good is better than sometimes great/ sometimes really bad.
Posted on 7/24/24 at 9:58 am to theballguy
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That being said, Georgia could not beat at home an Alabama team with Milroe at QB. And yet they continuously ask why didn't they get in the playoffs?
at home?
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:00 am to BLG
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Milroe has 10X the athletic ability of Penix
not sure what Milroe has done to make you think that but would be good
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If DeBoer can get Milroe to perform in that same vein with his athleticism, Bama will stand on some teams nuts.
athleticism isn't the problem, an effective and productive passing game is the problem
Feel free to look at penix's production prior to getting to Washington and compare that to milroes first and only season starting
Milroes 1 year starting he was a better passer than any of penix's years prior to the transfer, better than Joe Burrow's first year starting at LSU, better than Daniel's first year at LSU, better than any year hurts had at Alabama. Look where those guys got to. Its bizarre how nobody thinks milroe in particular has a chance to get better as a passer. If hurts can do it and become one of the top NFL qbs, anybody can cause that guy was not a passer, and now he's a great passer. Just needs competent coaching, which milroe did not get at Alabama previously, but he is getting now.
This post was edited on 7/24/24 at 10:01 am
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:15 am to narddogg81
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Milroes 1 year starting he was a better passer than any of penix's years prior to the transfer, better than Joe Burrow's first year starting at LSU, better than Daniel's first year at LSU, better than any year hurts had at Alabama. Look where those guys got to. Its bizarre how nobody thinks milroe in particular has a chance to get better as a passer. If hurts can do it and become one of the top NFL qbs, anybody can cause that guy was not a passer, and now he's a great passer. Just needs competent coaching, which milroe did not get at Alabama previously, but he is getting now.
which is why I think that it is dumb to think that a player won't or can't improve from season to season with experience and coaching. Many fans of our rival teams think that its kind of crazy that so many Bama fans are pessimistic with Milroe. Seems like a pretty good litmus test as to the reasonability of our fans.
This post was edited on 7/24/24 at 10:18 am
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:23 am to narddogg81
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Feel free to look at penix's production prior to getting to Washington and compare that to milroes first and only season starting
Milroes 1 year starting he was a better passer than any of penix's years prior to the transfer, better than Joe Burrow's first year starting at LSU, better than Daniel's first year at LSU, better than any year hurts had at Alabama. Look where those guys got to. Its bizarre how nobody thinks milroe in particular has a chance to get better as a passer. If hurts can do it and become one of the top NFL qbs, anybody can cause that guy was not a passer, and now he's a great passer. Just needs competent coaching, which milroe did not get at Alabama previously, but he is getting now.
So, for the record, you think he might be better than Penix, Burrow, and Daniels?
Like another poster said he has a coach now that has produced excellent passing games. Your call it "competent coaching". We'll see. If he doesn't produce now it's all on Milroe, and if doesn't prove he's elite a lot of fans are going to look pretty silly for believing the hype.
This post was edited on 7/24/24 at 10:24 am
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:26 am to Funky Tide 8
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which is why I think that it is dumb to think that a player won't or can't improve from season to season with experience and coaching
How about SImpson and Lonergan, who many practice observers thought was the best passing qb last yr as a freshman. Can they also improve, or just Milroe? Is it even possible that they may have improved more than Milroe has in the last yr? Some will say "but they didn't get experience on the field", in which case we'll not know till they do get more game experience.
Posted on 7/24/24 at 11:25 am to BasedCrimson
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He also had a vintage Saban defense that bailed him out time and time again. Hopefully our defense will be up to the task this season as well
No he did not, have a vintage Saban defense.
Posted on 7/24/24 at 11:37 am to Bamadog75
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I think that Deboer will play to his strengths and he will better this year.
That I actually think is correct. He's good with QBs.
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