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re: Jake Holland award AKA worst starter on your team
Posted on 8/4/15 at 6:51 am to redeye
Posted on 8/4/15 at 6:51 am to redeye
Arkansas lost six games last year... 14 over two years... and you guys can't pick out the worst player?
pick one of you sunbelt level WRs
pick one of you sunbelt level WRs
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 6:59 am to CrimsonFever
I guess if I just had to pick someone, it would be Hunter Henry our TE
SEC is fricked
SEC is fricked
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 7:45 am to CrimsonFever
Justin fricking Bell.
Good dude. Terrible OL.
Good dude. Terrible OL.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:03 am to djsdawg
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Not according to what actually happened:
That angle is after his knee hit. Selective picture choice. JH was robbed on that play. He would be an Auburn hero if the ref gets it right.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:16 am to chilge1
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With Welter as MLB, we gave up 268 rushing to Wisconsin, 302 to Miss St, 172 to New Mexico St, and 298 to Auburn....
With Beckwith as MLB, we gave up 123 to Florida, 71 to Kentucky, 137 to Ole Miss, 106 to Alabama, 95 to Arkansas, and 84 to aTm.
You can't compare blind stats like that. Welter surely took snaps in he second half and Beckwith did in the first as well. Plus you are making an absurd comparison. State, Wisky, and Auburn are all teams that ran the ball very well last year, and generally those schools also run a spread option so the run is hard to defend.
In the second group you played one team that ran the ball a lot in Arkansas, and they are a traditional run first offense. Bama runs the ball but you played them after Drake went down, their sole game plan was get Cooper the ball. What you can deduct from that list that your DC sucked against the run option, which looks real damn bad for A&M right now.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:18 am to rockytop627
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Actually, I think Coleman Thomas was worse, it's probably him this year.
Yes...but Coleman Thomas only started 5 games last year. Kerbyson started every game.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 10:02 am to Lionnation1993
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Danny McCray
This guy is the epitome of a coach putting the player in the wrong position. He is a very good SAFETY but we used him (and allowed him to get abused) as a nickel and dime corner. He was put in situations such as playing percy harvin man to man. Considering the has 5 years and counting in the league he deserves an apology from our staff/fans.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:05 pm to skirpnasty
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You can't compare blind stats like that. Welter surely took snaps in he second half and Beckwith did in the first as well. Plus you are making an absurd comparison. State, Wisky, and Auburn are all teams that ran the ball very well last year, and generally those schools also run a spread option so the run is hard to defend.
In the second group you played one team that ran the ball a lot in Arkansas, and they are a traditional run first offense. Bama runs the ball but you played them after Drake went down, their sole game plan was get Cooper the ball. What you can deduct from that list that your DC sucked against the run option, which looks real damn bad for A&M right now.
You can't fricking tell LSU fans that our defense wasn't much better off with Beckwith starting at MLB. Welter was terrible. I didn't know he had so many fanboys on here.
Arkansas and Alabama would have both ran for 200 with Welter starting.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:20 pm to Team Vote
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You can't fricking tell LSU fans that our defense wasn't much better off with Beckwith starting at MLB. Welter was terrible. I didn't know he had so many fanboys on here.
I'm not claiming that Beckwith wasn't better but attributing like 50% less RYA to him is absurd. You have to at least consider that the first half of the season was loaded with spread offenses that like to run the ball. You're viewing a situation with a whole lot of dynamic factors and giving one player credit for all of them.
Bama, Ole Miss, Arkansas, A&M. When you played them, all were a pass first offense and/or use a traditional running game. And you gave up few yards.
State, Auburn, Wisconsin. You gave up a ton of yards, they are spread teams, or "swing" teams, that prioritize the running game.
Given the evidence, it seems more likely that the scheme is what was giving most of your trouble, not your MLB.
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:25 pm to skirpnasty
Scheme and lack of playmakers at DT hurt us in the first half of the season for sure
I still stand by what I said that Bama and Arkansas would have rolled up 200 each with Welter starting. It's not just that Beckwith was better, it's that the whole defense played better with him in.
Arkansas is in no way a pass first offense.
The scheme was a part of the problem but the scheme didn't change between Welter and Beckwith and LSU still finished with the best total D in the league last year.
Keep in mind that before the MSU and Auburn fiascos, LSU and Chavis were known for shutting spread teams (run or pass) the frick down. With Welter starting LSU could not defend the run. Not attributing it all to him but that's simply the truth.
I still stand by what I said that Bama and Arkansas would have rolled up 200 each with Welter starting. It's not just that Beckwith was better, it's that the whole defense played better with him in.
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Bama, Ole Miss, Arkansas, A&M. When you played them, all were a pass first offense and/or use a traditional running game. And you gave up few yards.
State, Auburn, Wisconsin. You gave up a ton of yards, they are spread teams, or "swing" teams, that prioritize the running game.
Given the evidence, it seems more likely that the scheme is what was giving most of your trouble, not your MLB.
Arkansas is in no way a pass first offense.
The scheme was a part of the problem but the scheme didn't change between Welter and Beckwith and LSU still finished with the best total D in the league last year.
Keep in mind that before the MSU and Auburn fiascos, LSU and Chavis were known for shutting spread teams (run or pass) the frick down. With Welter starting LSU could not defend the run. Not attributing it all to him but that's simply the truth.
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:34 pm to skirpnasty
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I'm not claiming that Beckwith wasn't better but attributing like 50% less RYA to him is absurd.
It's not absurd at all. Teams abused us up the middle because they knew if they got past the DL Welter couldn't make a play. Teams played us entirely different when Beckwith showed up and finally had to respect the MLB. Beckwith was LIGHTYEARS better than Welter last year, it really isn't close at all. Our rush defense did a 180 when Beckwith finally became the every down starter.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:39 pm to lowspark12
quote:Well, when none of your starters are very good, it's kind of hard to pick the worst.
Arkansas lost six games last year... 14 over two years... and you guys can't pick out the worst player?
Posted on 8/4/15 at 4:09 pm to Tigerman97
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Not according to what actually happened:
That angle is after his knee hit. Selective picture choice. JH was robbed on that play. He would be an Auburn hero if the ref gets it right.
After? His knee is clearly off the ground in the pic. The face mask penalty that the refs missed killed the momentum that was carrying the qb into the endzone.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 4:31 pm to djsdawg
How bout his left knee? It's funny to me that you're trying to tell a prove a point using a still image from a bad angle of a football play that contains so much motion and moving parts. Things change in the blink of an eye in during the course of a football play so alot of times pictures aren't very telling of what actually happened.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 4:51 pm to The_SwAUggford
That's the knee that eventually hit before he got in and its about as good as an angle can get from a photo to see that knee.
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