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re: It's time to be real... Stop firing coaches if you don't have nil money

Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:05 am to
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
24753 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:05 am to
“nil” money, or “NIL” money?

Two very different things.

-Nigel.
Posted by Drydock
Osage County
Member since Oct 2013
8125 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:15 am to
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
732 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:19 am to
Some of the world's wealthiest people have ties to the University of Arkansas. They could make it happen if they wanted to. Gotta give them a reason.

Hiring a retread, disgraced coach does not inspire confidence.

Look beyond the motorcycle wreck / intern incident. Weird shite has happened at several other of his head coaching stops (Louisville, the Falcons, etc.).

If he gets the job full time, expect more weird shite to happen.
Posted by PineyWoodsHog
Texas
Member since Sep 2021
2934 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:29 am to
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Do you not understand that is the OCs job on fundamentals..


I do. And I also understand that the HC gets to determine the structure and intensity of practices. The assistants can only take things as far as he is willing to let them take it.

As another poster already mentioned, Sam is the one common denominator since 2020. He's a great guy but his teams as a HC have been soft, lazy, and undisciplined.
Posted by JacieNY
Member since Jul 2024
1476 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:35 am to
it has been demonstrated (in my mind) that NIL money CAN make up for a pedestrian coach.

At least you qualified your statement with (in my mind) because from what I have seen, teams throwing money around yet not having the success the fan base craves has become the norm in college football.

Yeah, coaching makes a world of difference.

It is why small school coaches and coordinators get hired by Power 5 schools.
Posted by Riggle
Member since Feb 2013
4531 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:21 am to
Arkansas has led the nation in fumbles since 2020. That's coaching not NIL
Posted by Jack Daniel
Gold member
Member since Feb 2013
28385 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:22 am to
What if the coach is the reason for low NIL money?
Posted by ShowMeTruth
Member since Oct 2025
8 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:30 am to
I would bet that Petrino can turn the program around. He seems to do more with less.
Posted by Rzrbackguy
Apalachicola, FL
Member since Jul 2014
2515 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:31 am to
The lack of effort on the definsive side of the ball is the direct and only reason for the one score losses and the embarrassment on the field vs ND.

The two fumbles were both results of good plays by the opponent. The issue in at least the Ole Miss game is that the offense was literally more worried about scoring with any time at all left on the clock because it was just a fact that Ole Miss (or most anyone) could score on Arkansas’ defense at will.

I personally don’t expect Petrino to be hired full time, but I cheered his cleaning house on the defense. We sucked last year defensively and yet managed to get even worse this year.
Posted by Hawgeye
tFlagship Brothel
Member since Jun 2009
32333 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:39 am to
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So do poverty schools like Kentucky and Ar-Kansas just not have coaches?


Arkansas still spent $16.5 mil on this years roster which puts them in the top half of league. There will be more inflow of money depending on the hire.

It looks like a misuse of funds on the defensive side of ball.

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This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 11:41 am
Posted by Landmass
Premium Member
Member since Jun 2013
23736 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:43 am to
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And watch college football dwindle away. It's not the NFL and it won't carry its own weight for people to watch a handful of wealthy programs every week.


The NIL era dramatically changed things. People still can't grasp that. You used to have to be the program that was really good for 20+ years to get the best players. Now, it's the teams that have embraced NIL, the transfer portal, and revenue sharing that are the ones getting the players. That's why programs like Ole Miss, SMU, and Texas Tech (this season) have been able to become contenders to a point and historically good but disorganized programs like Clemson, Auburn, and Florida have fallen off into the abyss.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 11:46 am
Posted by Landmass
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Member since Jun 2013
23736 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:51 am to
Having a shite ton of money and using what you have correctly are two entirely different things.
Posted by Hawgeye
tFlagship Brothel
Member since Jun 2009
32333 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:56 am to
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Having a shite ton of money and using what you have correctly are two entirely different things.


100%

Beyond the on the field coaching issues, Sam seemed to have a problem with identifying actual needs in the portal, distributing his available money properly, or just simply not being able to manage it all.

Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
15436 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 12:08 pm to
Head Coach coaches the coaches .... Assistants coach the players....
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29516 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 12:14 pm to
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the Arkansas AD said that Sam Pittman did not have the neccessary resources at his disposal. Then he fired him. Why?


Resources necessary to win a national championship. He didn’t get fired for not winning a national championship.
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
21661 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 12:21 pm to
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Stop firing coaches if you don't have nil money

The Catch 22 is that the same people who contribute to Foundations that pay coach salaries and buyouts are the same who contribute to NIL collectives.

So, if you are too poor to compete in NIL, firing your coaches puts you a further step back to pay them off and hire new ones. So, even with a good hire, they are hamstrung from the onset with NIL shortfalls.
Posted by PineyWoodsHog
Texas
Member since Sep 2021
2934 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

And I also understand that the HC gets to determine the structure and intensity of practices. The assistants can only take things as far as he is willing to let them take it


quote:

Head Coach coaches the coaches .... Assistants coach the players


Thank you for reiterating, in a more simplistic way, my point. My comment and yours are essentially the same. The assistants coach the players within the confines of what the head coach allows for and run practices the way the head coach wants. You can say it however you want to but the entire attitude, toughness, and discipline of a team is directly influenced by the HC. If he runs weak and soft practices, you get weak, soft, undisciplined players.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19330 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:44 pm to
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A coach can't make up for lack of NIL money.
so Auburn would automatically beat Iowa State if they were to play this weekend

amirite
Posted by lefty08
Not in Auburn or Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
6411 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:47 pm to
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You do realize that the caliber of coach you have often has a direct effect on the kind of money that rolls in right?


This is a bullshite talking point by stupid arse Arkansas fans
Posted by lefty08
Not in Auburn or Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
6411 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:50 pm to
If Arkansas hires Petrino permanently, they deserve everything they are going to get. It’s amazing he’s even being considered for the gig, much less the interim. This is coming from a 46 year Hog fan
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