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Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:12 am to rockiee
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:12 am to rockiee
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The more people complain the more the players will continue to do it because they know it is working.
Speaking as someone who has no problem with the protests: It's not working. They arguably achieved something by making the NFL come to the table in terms of more charitable support for certain causes, but it did nothing in terms of policy changes to help prevent police brutality or racially biased law enforcement.
Once Trump weighed in, it was over. Like every other political issue today, it was reduced to the lowest possible denominator of: "Are you with Trump or against him?"
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:13 am to Vecchio Cane
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Here's where I'll disagree I don't think the players have any better idea about what they are doing than the upset fans. I'd bet 90% of them are protesting just as a show of support for their teammate who is protesting. Nobody knows why, but they support each other.
I don't know about 90% but I don't disagree with your premise. It definitely becomes more diluted with more players joining like any movement. Some people will always join because they want to feel apart of something. I don't think that applies for the first few who started it.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:14 am to rockiee
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You seem to be a solid poster, please don't be this obtuse. If you really thought that is what I meant than nvm
I just find it funny that anybody thinks their protest is sparking debate about police violence against black people. Honestly? I haven't heard a word about that issue in months in connection to the kneeling.
I honestly believe most of them are now kneeling for the attention. It certainly can't be because they are causing change or helping the issue.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:15 am to Chuck Barris
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but it did nothing in terms of policy changes to help prevent police brutality or racially biased law enforcement.
Maybe they should have backed a movement that was based on reality, not a fabricated political farce like "Hands Up, Don't Shoot"
There are plenty of real situations to protest
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:18 am to Chuck Barris
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Once Trump weighed in, it was over. Like every other political issue today, it was reduced to the lowest possible denominator of: "Are you with Trump or against him?"
While this may be true, Obama weighed in on much lesser issues that he should have stayed out of.
But, as somebody mentioned, this thread should now be moved from the sports board and to the political board. It has changed from a football discussion squarely into a political discussion that will probably drag Trump and Obama into the focus of the discussion.
I enjoyed the debate, though. I went to the political board last football offseason and was shocked at the number of people I had arguments with on the sports board, but agreed with them politically.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:19 am to DawgsLife
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I honestly believe most of them are now kneeling for the attention.
If we are talking about the latest bunch then I don't necessarily disagree with that but that is kind of my point. They are doing it because they are getting attention from it. You pretty much just admitted that. If no one said anything, do you think they would still do it?
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:20 am to rockiee
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I don't think that applies for the first few who started it.
I can see this, too.
Anyway...I'm out of this thread. You guys discuss if you want. But, I am being pretty hypocritical to call the players out for being political when people want sports and here I am am discussing politics on a sports board.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:23 am to Vecchio Cane
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Maybe they should have backed a movement that was based on reality, not a fabricated political farce like "Hands Up, Don't Shoot"
I disagree. There is a significant amount of data pointing to racial bias in policing.
This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 10:24 am
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:31 am to Chuck Barris
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I disagree. There is a significant amount of data pointing to racial bias in policing.
Not disputing that. I was speaking specifically of the HUDS movement, which I believe started the original protests by Kaepernick. That and the fact that he sucked as a QB and was looking at doing something else with his career.
ETA: surely there are better sources than Vanity Fair
This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 10:52 am
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:36 am to CNB
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Who gives a frick what anyone does during the national anthem
CNB, I don't care if I get kicked off for this, but I wish I could find you beat the fricking dog shite out of you. Really, I would beat every fricking tooth out of your mouth right now for this statement.
Seriously frick off
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:38 am to ReelTiger1
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:40 am to ReelTiger1
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Really, I would beat every fricking tooth out of your mouth right now
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:40 am to ReelTiger1
Okay, tough guy
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:52 am to Chuck Barris
Once Trump weighed in, it was over. Like every other political issue today, it was reduced to the lowest possible denominator of: "Are you with Trump or against him?"
Completely false, after Trump said what he said about the players calling them the b word. They all kneeled after that.
Completely false, after Trump said what he said about the players calling them the b word. They all kneeled after that.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:54 am to oneusairman
Okay...people like this guy who think racism doesn't exist is a complete idiot.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 11:07 am to DawgsLife
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I never thought they were protesting against the military as much as they were protesting against the country itself.
Many people think there are right ways and wrong ways to do things. bringing political issues into what is supposed to be an escape from "issues" is not a good choice, imo.
Hey. People can protest all they want. And, if I agree with their issues and protest and hwo they go about it, then fine.
Just know that if I do not agree with the issue, or how you go about the protest, then I will line up against you and, in this case, I will boycott the NFL....like I have the right to do.
I am vehemently against abortion, but I don't line up with people who choose to kill doctors walking out of an abortion clinic. And I will condemn anybody that does this. I also don't want to see players protesting abortion during football games, either. not the time or the place.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 11:08 am to rockiee
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The funny part is that the people who are against it (I don't care either way) are only making this a bigger story. If no one said a word, it would stop.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 11:13 am to SECdragonmaster
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This statement tells me all I ever wanted to know about your lack of character. There were times I thought you might just be a troll having fun.
You are exactly who I feared you were. I feel bad for you and everyone who has to be around you every day.
What’s more disgusting are people like you, who marginalize that guy’s service by thinking people who protest in whatever peaceful way they choose are disrespecting him or anything he did during his service. In fact, the opposite is true. Recognizing and exercising your rights as an American citizen - including kneeling during the national anthem - is among the best ways to honor those who served to protect that freedom.
You can kiss my arse, you freedom hating commie piece of shite.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:11 pm to GoldenDawg
As a vet I share the same opinion with every other vet I've spoken to about this.. I really couldn't care less what you do during the national anthem, if you want to kneel in protest you have the right to do so, due to the men and women who serve in order to keep your attention whoring and "oppressed" self, free.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:17 pm to Teague
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It's a-fricking-mazing how many people don't understand that the national anthem isn't an ode to the military.
Well you are talking about people who think every second of everyday should be spent on our knees pleasuring either soldiers or cops and preferably both. At some point, doesn’t a fawning response diminish the heroism of sacrifice?
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