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re: It’s my understanding that no Eagles player kneeled during the National ...
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:34 am to GurleyGirl
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:34 am to GurleyGirl
Responsibility to do what? To protest in a legal, non-violent way that respects the rights of others?
Because the players who choose to protest are already doing that.
Because the players who choose to protest are already doing that.
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:43 am to pvilleguru
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Can't kneel if there's nothing to kneel for.
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Can't kneel if there's nothing to kneel for.
Trouble is, the National Anthem is not "to kneel for". That is the whole problem. Like it or not, we are not going to move away from nationalist displays. They are to show loyalty and love for our country and the freedom it provides us.
To disrespect that will not be tolerated by many people in the country. We all understand that our country is not perfect. nobody claimed that it was. But there are millions of illegals aliens in this country that will testify that this country is better than most, if not all other countries in the world. if the illegals do not believe this, then they should leave, and go to a better situation.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:47 am to DawgsLife
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what are they doing during the off season?
Alot depending on who you are talking about
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:47 am to Chuck Barris
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Responsibility to do what? To protest in a legal, non-violent way that respects the rights of others?
Because the players who choose to protest are already doing that.
But then people like you ans pvilleguru should not be shocked when others decide to protest by not watching NFL football games. It will cost the NFL millions, and in turn it will cost the players in the long run.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:49 am to rockiee
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Alot depending on who you are talking about
I'm talking about every single player that is kneeling during the National Anthem. I'm sure there are some that are staying active, although they are doing a poor job of it since I have not seen or heard of their efforts. I'm sure the news media would be reporting heavily on their efforts.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:52 am to DawgsLife
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To disrespect that will not be tolerated by many people in the country
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:52 am to Tuscaloosa
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What about that guy? He signed up to lose those legs so people could do whatever the hell they want during the National Anthem.
I would never kneel as a form of protest during our anthem because I think it’s putting the cart before the horse among other reasons but there’s real truth to your post. I wish people would think about this and realize it’s not unamerican to protest or to have an opinion. They are not kneeling in protest of our military but people like to keep that narrative going. This is at the very heart of who we are. Most men and women that serve will tell you this.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:54 am to DawgsLife
Football won't be around in a couple decades anyway, I doubt the anthem protests have any material long term affect on anyone's profits.
Besides, I think the player's understand that they will probably have to suffer consequences for protesting, yet they believe their cause is worth it.
The amusing thing is, the owner's will lose money on this, and next time the CBA is up they will want to require players to stand. They will likely have to give up something else to get that concession from the players union, meaning the players make more money in the end.
Or, NFL could just keep players in the locker room like they always did until DoD started paying them for patriotism
Besides, I think the player's understand that they will probably have to suffer consequences for protesting, yet they believe their cause is worth it.
The amusing thing is, the owner's will lose money on this, and next time the CBA is up they will want to require players to stand. They will likely have to give up something else to get that concession from the players union, meaning the players make more money in the end.
Or, NFL could just keep players in the locker room like they always did until DoD started paying them for patriotism
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:54 am to Cocotheape
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Football won't be around in a couple decades anyway,
i mean boxing is still around today. Football wont completely die out. But it's fair to wonder where it will be in a few decades.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:57 am to DawgsLife
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although they are doing a poor job of it since I have not seen or heard of their efforts
Wait, you don't know why that is? It is because people have made this a big issue. The funny part is that the people who are against it (I don't care either way) are only making this a bigger story. If no one said a word, it would stop. You are doing exactly what they want by creating a discussion.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:58 am to pvilleguru
Okay? You disagree with this? I would say the ratings of NFL games this past season would bare what I said out. 
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:58 am to rockiee
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he funny part is that the people who are against it (I don't care either way) are only making this a bigger story.
Yep and right there with you.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:59 am to DawgsLife
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But then people like you ans pvilleguru should not be shocked when others decide to protest by not watching NFL football games.
Oh believe me, I'm not surprised in the slightest.
I'm a little disappointed that so many people (deliberately or otherwise) completely missed the point of what was actually being protested in a fog of "support our troops" hysteria, but that's not exactly surprising either.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:02 am to DuncanIdaho
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Yep and right there with you.
I'm not sure how more don't understand this. The best strategy against this would be to ignore it. The more people complain the more the players will continue to do it because they know it is working.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:05 am to ExpoTiger
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They are not kneeling in protest of our military but people like to keep that narrative going.
I never thought they were protesting against the military as much as they were protesting against the country itself.
Many people think there are right ways and wrong ways to do things. bringing political issues into what is supposed to be an escape from "issues" is not a good choice, imo.
Hey. People can protest all they want. And, if I agree with their issues and protest and hwo they go about it, then fine.
Just know that if I do not agree with the issue, or how you go about the protest, then I will line up against you and, in this case, I will boycott the NFL....like I have the right to do.
I am vehemently against abortion, but I don't line up with people who choose to kill doctors walking out of an abortion clinic. And I will condemn anybody that does this. I also don't want to see players protesting abortion during football games, either. not the time or the place.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:06 am to rockiee
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I'm not sure how more don't understand this. The best strategy against this would be to ignore it. The more people complain the more the players will continue to do it because they know it is working.
I am ignoring it by not watching the games. I doubt a single NFL player has seen one of my posts in this thread.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:07 am to rockiee
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more people complain the more the players will continue to do it because they know it is working.
Here's where I'll disagree I don't think the players have any better idea about what they are doing than the upset fans. I'd bet 90% of them are protesting just as a show of support for their teammate who is protesting. Nobody knows why, but they support each other. I doubt they care what upset fans think
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:08 am to Chuck Barris
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I'm a little disappointed that so many people (deliberately or otherwise) completely missed the point of what was actually being protested in a fog of "support our troops" hysteria, but that's not exactly surprising either.
Doesn't that just go straight to my point that their "protest" is ineffective if people don't even discuss the issues they are supposedly representing? Like I said. Wrong place to protest.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:09 am to DawgsLife
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I doubt a single NFL player has seen one of my posts in this thread.
You seem to be a solid poster, please don't be this obtuse. If you really thought that is what I meant than nvm
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:11 am to rockiee
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Wait, you don't know why that is? It is because people have made this a big issue. The funny part is that the people who are against it (I don't care either way) are only making this a bigger story. If no one said a word, it would stop. You are doing exactly what they want by creating a discussion.
So you are saying the players are kneeling not to draw attention to their issues, but because people are turning it into a protest against the military?
I would say the NFL players are losing and losing badly. The entire point of a protest is to draw interest to the issue. They are not doing this. That is my whole point. They are not getting the issues in front of the American people. They are getting into a discussion on if kneeling is a sign of disrespect to the military or to the country.
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