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re: It ain't just Bama...coaches will go to the NFL.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 5:48 am to BevoBucks
Posted on 2/19/24 at 5:48 am to BevoBucks
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So, why not jumpstart other subsidized minor leagues in talent rich nations?
What nations are you talking about?
No other countries have the infrastructure that the US has.You get an occasional player from Canada and a rare non punter from Australia.I suppose you can count American Samoa but almost all those players go through the CFB system in this country.
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 6:14 am to antibarner
I don't blame them. Seemingly overnight, college football has become something very ugly. Coaches spend more time playing bagman than teaching the fundamentals of the game to young men(the reason they got into the profession to begin with).
Posted on 2/19/24 at 6:14 am to antibarner
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People are just trolling Bama fans, much like Bama fans have trolled others.
quote:Oh, don't feel so singled out and persecuted
Ordinarily I would agree but it's even the media doing it. When the NFL starts poaching other programs, as they have here, I will be interested in seeing the coverage.
The media trolled Brian Kelly and LSU as bad or worse than the Rant did here.
And honestly, the Bama coaching IS a big deal. Y'all have been the elite team for more than a decade, with Nick Saban building a HOF resume. In the period of a couple months, Bama has gone from having The Greatest Ever running the program, to a newcomer who was up-and-rising at a Pac 12 school, primarily known for it's offense. Washington wasn't turning heads with it's defense the past couple years.
It would have been a big deal if Deboer had stayed at UW and Grubb left, people would watch and see if that offense maintained without the OC and QB. Coming into a new school, where the stakes are even higher, of course it's talked about.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 6:42 am to Auburntiger
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where they actually get real downtime
They're still working full-time. Coaches take a few weeks off after the playoffs but then they're back to work. Players also only get about a month off.
It's a job, if you're taking three months off the results will suffer.
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 6:43 am
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:14 am to Auburntiger
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With college football coaching being a year round job at this point (due to recruiting) I don't blame these guys one bit for wanting to go to the NFL - where they actually get real downtime
No kidding. Recruiting was rough enough, but now you're also checking in on NIL and transfer portal kids. As if having to travel to dozens of high schools a year wasn't already a pain.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:28 am to skrayper
You guys are really overestimating the change in terms of workload for CFB coaches.
College coaches have always needed to recruit year round. If they weren't, they weren't going to be very good at their job. That includes recruiting the current players, making sure they have what they need to succeed. The fact the latter includes making sure their NIL situation is where it should be is simply a small change in what they were checking in on current players with from before, where it was checking to see if they were passing their classes, not drinking and driving or having woman problems.
Good college coaches have always checked in on current players to make sure things are going smoothly. There is very little change with that in checking on their NIL situations.
College coaching has an element of parenting and dealing with childish issues to it that doesn't exist in the NFL. That is one reason some coaches prefer the NFL. Others prefer the college game because they like/are good at navigating those issues. It's not new, unless the coach simply was coasting before and not handing any of those things but is now FORCED to handle them due to NIL being such a large impact. But realistically they should have been that involved before with their players. Those who are leaving because of having to look out for non-football issues with their players weren't doing the job well before.
College coaching has ALWAYS involved a ton of non-football issues. Good coaches have always been involved in helping their players navigate those problems.
College coaches have always needed to recruit year round. If they weren't, they weren't going to be very good at their job. That includes recruiting the current players, making sure they have what they need to succeed. The fact the latter includes making sure their NIL situation is where it should be is simply a small change in what they were checking in on current players with from before, where it was checking to see if they were passing their classes, not drinking and driving or having woman problems.
Good college coaches have always checked in on current players to make sure things are going smoothly. There is very little change with that in checking on their NIL situations.
College coaching has an element of parenting and dealing with childish issues to it that doesn't exist in the NFL. That is one reason some coaches prefer the NFL. Others prefer the college game because they like/are good at navigating those issues. It's not new, unless the coach simply was coasting before and not handing any of those things but is now FORCED to handle them due to NIL being such a large impact. But realistically they should have been that involved before with their players. Those who are leaving because of having to look out for non-football issues with their players weren't doing the job well before.
College coaching has ALWAYS involved a ton of non-football issues. Good coaches have always been involved in helping their players navigate those problems.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:00 am to antibarner
Coaching college has become a pain in the arse.
This will happen a lot more often.
Very few want to recruit their own team on top of recruiting in general.
This will happen a lot more often.
Very few want to recruit their own team on top of recruiting in general.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:07 am to Auburntiger
You trade some free time for the pressure of having to produce sooner. If you get a job in the NFL, you could be set for your career. A college coach would be stupid to turn down an appropriate NFL position for their trajectory.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:10 am to CBandits82
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Very few want to recruit their own team on top of recruiting in general.
If a college coach hasn't been doing this for the last 30 years of college football, they aren't a very good college coach.
Making sure your current players are happy and not overwhelmed with the college experience is a huge part of being a coach in college football and has been for quite a while.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:45 am to SidewalkTiger
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PedanticTiger
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No offense, but your opinions don't seem to be based in fact
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:52 am to antibarner
The recruiting process alone made a lot of coaches avoid college football. Now having to deal with the transfer portal, the NIL and having to fight every year to retain the roster you already have is just too much.
The NCAA needs to reduce scholarships, and NIL deals need to come with binding contracts. The players just have way too much leverage for the good of the sport.
The NCAA needs to reduce scholarships, and NIL deals need to come with binding contracts. The players just have way too much leverage for the good of the sport.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:54 am to DawginSC
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If a college coach hasn't been doing this for the last 30 years of college football, they aren't a very good college coach. Making sure your current players are happy and not overwhelmed with the college experience is a huge part of being a coach in college football and has been for quite a while.
It is not nearly the same as it was pre NIL and transfer portal. College kids have commitment issues as it is. Throw in the easy out with the transfer portal or another school waving some cash in their face, and the job of retaining the roster is now nearly impossible.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:01 am to antibarner
Was happening way before Bama coaches left so don’t feel like you started a trend or anything . Also ain’t ain’t no word .
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 9:03 am
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:13 am to antibarner
College use to be a better job for a certain type of coach who enjoys teaching guys who have a lot to learn and building relationships with young men and their families.
College was always a bit more work than the NFL because of recruiting but recruiting was bounded by NCAA limitations. Now, recruiting is basically a 24/7 job because of the portal and near unfettered free agency.
There isn't a lot of fun in developing a guy who you got to know him and his family since he was a high school underclassmen then losing him to a school with more cash in their pay for play scheme once he realized the potential you knew he had in him. It is no fun having to constantly re-recruit your own position group 24/7/365 instead of focusing on what it takes or needs to be said to get them to succeed.
If you can actually coach the position and aren't just some Coach Best Friend around to recruit kids, the NFL makes a helluva lot of sense in 2024.
College was always a bit more work than the NFL because of recruiting but recruiting was bounded by NCAA limitations. Now, recruiting is basically a 24/7 job because of the portal and near unfettered free agency.
There isn't a lot of fun in developing a guy who you got to know him and his family since he was a high school underclassmen then losing him to a school with more cash in their pay for play scheme once he realized the potential you knew he had in him. It is no fun having to constantly re-recruit your own position group 24/7/365 instead of focusing on what it takes or needs to be said to get them to succeed.
If you can actually coach the position and aren't just some Coach Best Friend around to recruit kids, the NFL makes a helluva lot of sense in 2024.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:14 am to antibarner
This will happen, but there are only so many NFL jobs available.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:16 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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This will happen, but there are only so many NFL jobs available.
The NFL also doesn't really need that many Coach Best Friend or Coach Surrogate Father types either. You need to be a technician who can add value to the assets ownership just sunk a bunch of cash into to build the roster.
Hell, I think the days of those types of recruiting-focused coaches who are mediocre on-field staff are going to end pretty soon. Pay for play schemes getting normalized and standardized in the coming years will make the staffing in college more like the NFL.
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 9:18 am
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:24 am to Diego Ricardo
Something is going to have to change. Eventually support for CFB will disappear and the money will dry up with it.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:56 am to DeafJam73
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Something is going to have to change. Eventually support for CFB will disappear and the money will dry up with it.
My guess is coaching becomes more of a stepping stone to the NFL than it has been over the last couple of decades. College used to be a destination for many coaches, I think it becomes more like the training wheels before ascending to the NFL.
Right now, some coaches are getting out of college because they can't stand the out of whack work-life balance. This is not what I think will happen long-term. Coaching in college will become less about relationships and more about teaching alone. The players will be signing multi-year contracts with some entity (the AD, associated 503, etc.) and the goal of coaching will be more about skill development than recruiting. Whatever entity is signing these players for the schools will be handling the bulk of the relationship building. Coaches will coach, scouts will scout, and GM will tender contracts. Very much like the NFL. So the type of coaches you will be hiring are the types who probably will have NFL futures in their eyes.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:02 am to DeafJam73
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It is not nearly the same as it was pre NIL and transfer portal. College kids have commitment issues as it is. Throw in the easy out with the transfer portal or another school waving some cash in their face, and the job of retaining the roster is now nearly impossible.
I'd argue what you're saying is that failing to look after the well being of your players (recruiting your roster) used to not hurt teams as much as it does now.
On that note you're correct.
But good college coaches did it well before NIL. Not doing so created "locker room issues" and other problems with players that had huge negative impacts on a team but perhaps were harder to trace to a coach not doing their job.
The only difference is now it makes it more obvious which coaches aren't doing what they always should have done. Coaches should always have been making sure their players are happy or at least content with their life in college. If there were problems the coaches should have been helping to address them, or realizing that the player had a problem they couldn't address and preparing to deal with that player being unhappy or transferring.
The good college coaches (both position coaches, coordinators and head coaches) already were addressing these issues 20 years ago.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:17 am to Diego Ricardo
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Hell, I think the days of those types of recruiting-focused coaches who are mediocre on-field staff are going to end pretty soon. Pay for play schemes getting normalized and standardized in the coming years will make the staffing in college more like the NFL.
Coaches who can recruit effectively even with pay-for-play will have even more value in the future of CFB in my opinion, not the opposite.
Having a coach that can bring talent in despite not offering as much to players because of his personality/gravitas/history will be even more impactful because many teams will be relying solely on NIL money to recruit.
UGA hasn't been offering recruits big NIL deals to come to UGA. Their big NIL deals go to starters, not to recruits. They've done this largely to follow the NCAA's NIL guidance. They've still been able to out-recruit teams who have been paying recruits to come to their school largely due to the recruiting acumen of the staff. Recruits were already taking less to go to UGA in order for an opportunity to earn more in the long run should they become a starter.
I don't see why UGA starting to offer big money to recruits won't INCREASE their recruiting edge. It won't flatten things as their recruiting heavy staff is already winning battles against teams paying recruits to come to their college.
Being a great recruiter will always matter in CFB.
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