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re: Is this best it gets for LSU for a while?
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:11 pm to EarlyCuyler3
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:11 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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13-12-1 is the record you managed in between Bryant and Saban.
... and Saban was coaching for them several yrs of that.
Not to mention us getting shafted by the Nazi's.
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:12 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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13-12-1
So you're telling me we did better than .500 against Alabama and half of that time was the worst period of LSU's history?
frickin idiot.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:12 pm to Night Vision
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... and Saban was coaching for them several yrs of that.
Not to mention us getting shafted by the Nazi's.
Exactly. It took Saban for them to get even a single game ahead in that time period.
The high water mark for LSU against Alabama is a .500 record.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:14 pm to wadewilson
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frickin idiot.
Yeah, you certainly have demonstrated that.
Now here comes the "Hurr durr, I got you banned, hyuck" comment.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:15 pm to Night Vision
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and Saban was coaching for them several yrs of that.
Not to mention us getting shafted by the Nazi's.
That's one thing about an Alabama fan, they're gonna make excuses
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:16 pm to SidewalkTiger
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That's one thing about an Alabama fan, they're gonna make excuses
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So you're telling me we did better than .500 against Alabama and half of that time was the worst period of LSU's history?
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:18 pm to Diego Ricardo
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The big problem for Kelly is the recruiting disaster he inherited from Coach O. Finished 6th last year, currently 10th this year in recruiting. That's not bad if you're in any other conference but the SEC. Alabama, Georgia, Texas, and Oklahoma finished above LSU in the 2023 class. Perhaps they get a higher hit rate or some of the others missed more than normal...it happens...but he's in a predicament. The roster was behind Alabama and Georgia when he got there and he's going to need to out hit several great recruiting staffs to make up the deficit unless he starts just purely signing higher quality from the outset (finishing at the top for a few seasons).
He's a good coach though. Only 2 sub-.500 seasons in a head coaching career spanning 5 decades. I think we're going to discover over the Freeman tenure at ND that what Kelly did at Notre Dame in the modern era was spectacular coaching. Freeman is 7-3 with the first genuinely good QB at ND since the mid-aughts. Kelly would probably have that team 10-0 right now.
This is the problem, Kirby and Saban have too much of a head start at this point.
BK can beat either of them him or there, if he catches them at the right time, but he will never "dominate" either.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:26 pm to Night Vision
In CBK last 7 years in south bend he lost 4+ games only once.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:27 pm to SidewalkTiger
Not sure why you were downvoted. It's the truth. But, he can set the conditions for his follow-on coach.
I was going to make a joke that CBK was too entrenched in the good coaching zone for a NC at LSU when it's proven it takes an elite coach (Saban) or an incompetent, but likable one (Miles or O) to reach the pinnacle at LSU. But, it's clear people don't like facts or friendly jabs here.
I was going to make a joke that CBK was too entrenched in the good coaching zone for a NC at LSU when it's proven it takes an elite coach (Saban) or an incompetent, but likable one (Miles or O) to reach the pinnacle at LSU. But, it's clear people don't like facts or friendly jabs here.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:27 pm to SidewalkTiger
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This is the problem, Kirby and Saban have too much of a head start at this point.
BK can beat either of them him or there, if he catches them at the right time, but he will never "dominate" either.
I think over time that LSU fans will come to see Coach O less as the emotional figurehead of one the truly great college football teams and more as the man who fumbled the bag that led to a serious talent deficit between LSU and their biggest competitors.
Miles was completely arse-backwards on where offensive football was heading but he had a program that consistently brought in top talent that fit the program and the competition in the conference. Coach O seemingly recruited similarly but it was clear at the end he was recruiting 5 star athletes with 1-star fit.
LSU was right there with Alabama and Georgia in the late 2010s. Today they're right there in spots but not the full 85. That's ultimately on Coach O. Kelly took over and had like 45-50 players on scholarship due to busts transferring out.
This post was edited on 11/10/23 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:33 pm to Jebadeb
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Kirby got his arse beat a few times before he started winning championships.
While true, he won the SEC championship in year 2 in Athens. Year 1 had a lot of losses in it (five, compared to 4 that Kelly had in year 1). But the next year he won the SEC and made it to the national championship game.
He never lost more than 2 regular season games after that first season. He has had one or less loss in every regular season after his first other than the covid season (2 losses that season).
Kirby took a surprisingly small amount of time to find his groove as a head coach. Pretty much just took him one season.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:34 pm to SidewalkTiger
Ah, the other crying bitch showed up.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:36 pm to 167back
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In CBK last 7 years in south bend he lost 4+ games only once.
He's not playing all the service academies every year now.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:37 pm to Diego Ricardo
LSU historically seems to fall in that #4-6 area for "good classes," they will never recruit near the top year in and out.
The reasons why have been the topic of much debate and it seems the theory that makes the most sense is that Louisiana kids are often underranked because they haven't had the resources/coaching that kids from more affluent areas have.
So in theory, a five star kid from Texas may have already hit his ceiling while a three star from Louisiana can perform to five star expectations with some development.
I think you see the same thing in Mississippi and in Alabama to a little lesser degree.
The reasons why have been the topic of much debate and it seems the theory that makes the most sense is that Louisiana kids are often underranked because they haven't had the resources/coaching that kids from more affluent areas have.
So in theory, a five star kid from Texas may have already hit his ceiling while a three star from Louisiana can perform to five star expectations with some development.
I think you see the same thing in Mississippi and in Alabama to a little lesser degree.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:38 pm to Diego Ricardo
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I think over time that LSU fans will come to see Coach O less as the emotional figurehead of one the truly great college football teams and more as the man who fumbled the bag that led to a serious talent deficit between LSU and their biggest competitors.
We're already there brother.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:39 pm to DawginSC
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Kirby got his arse beat a few times before he started winning championships.
While true, he won the SEC championship in year 2 in Athens. Year 1 had a lot of losses in it (five, compared to 4 that Kelly had in year 1). But the next year he won the SEC and made it to the national championship game.
He never lost more than 2 regular season games after that first season. He has had one or less loss in every regular season after his first other than the covid season (2 losses that season).
Kirby took a surprisingly small amount of time to find his groove as a head coach. Pretty much just took him one season.
While true, Kirby inherited a better situation than Kelly.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:40 pm to DawginSC
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While true, he won the SEC championship in year 2 in Athens. Year 1 had a lot of losses in it (five, compared to 4 that Kelly had in year 1). But the next year he won the SEC and made it to the national championship game.
He never lost more than 2 regular season games after that first season. He has had one or less loss in every regular season after his first other than the covid season (2 losses that season).
Kirby took a surprisingly small amount of time to find his groove as a head coach. Pretty much just took him one season.
Kirby's head coaching career should serve as an example for young coordinators who want to hop at the first major college job offer on the table.
Kirby waited and got his dream job after he had plenty of time to see how an all-time coach replicates success year to year.
Jeremy Pruitt hopped at the first SEC job on the table and it was an awful move. He wasn't their first choice. The job situation was not great. Tennessee seemingly turned themselves in to fire him for free and block him from ending up as the DC for Alabama or Georgia in the process.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:46 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Tennessee seemingly turned themselves in to fire him for free and block him from ending up as the DC for Alabama or Georgia in the process.
Agree with your post except for this part. I don't think UGA had any desire for hiring Pruitt. He had some non-football issues which poisoned him with the UGA administration despite being a good on the field coach. He's not likely to ever get a position at UGA (or FSU for that matter) in his future.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:54 pm to SidewalkTiger
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LSU historically seems to fall in that #4-6 area for "good classes," they will never recruit near the top year in and out.
The reasons why have been the topic of much debate and it seems the theory that makes the most sense is that Louisiana kids are often underranked because they haven't had the resources/coaching that kids from more affluent areas have.
So in theory, a five star kid from Texas may have already hit his ceiling while a three star from Louisiana can perform to five star expectations with some development.
I think you see the same thing in Mississippi and in Alabama to a little lesser degree.
Yeah, I agree with that. Guys like Marcel Dareus end up being 3-star athletes simply because their parents couldn't afford to take him anywhere but the in-state camps at the various universities.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:55 pm to diddlydawg7
I really like Nussmeier.. I think its a situation like Bama had last year. You rely too much on one guy and it hurts you.
The problem bigger than that is Kelly isn't a top tier coach who manages to just win 9 or 10 a year. Yea, he won a lot at ND but he had a MUCH easier schedule.
The problem bigger than that is Kelly isn't a top tier coach who manages to just win 9 or 10 a year. Yea, he won a lot at ND but he had a MUCH easier schedule.
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