re: Is Steve Spurrier really one of the best coaches in CFB?

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Let me ask you this. Do you think South Carolina has all the advantages as LSU does as a program? What about Georgia?

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Not at all. We not only have less talent each year in state to pull from, but another top program to compete with in Clemson. Imagine if another school from Louisiana was in the SEC or another major conference. Let's say Tulane for instance. Do you think LSU would be having as great of a success with pulling studs out of New Orleans and the rest of the state?

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Poor leadership? Corrupt politics? Kind of what i meant by shitty coaches

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You do know the difference between shitty coaches and shitty presidents and ADs, do you not?

Or need I remind you of what Mike Hamilton has done to Tennessee?

See the difference, is it clearer to you now?

We've had some really good coaches who were run-off by a really bad president and/or AD. Or, as was the case of Joe Moe, Bob Marcum failed to control institutionally.

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Spurrier is one of the top 3 coaches in CFB. His resume absolutely speaks for itself.

We were an incredibly mediocre program and we are in the midst of the most success we've ever had as a program, all of that is attributed to spurrier. Back to back 11 win seasons in the SEC with our program is something special. He's made us a legitimate contender in the SEC.

He also won the ACC title at Duke.....

His success at florida and making them one of the top programs in CFB today can't be understated.

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You do know the difference between shitty coaches and shitty presidents and ADs, do you not?

Or need I remind you of what Mike Hamilton has done to Tennessee?

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All of that doesn't matter. If you forget, the original argument was that South Carolina doesn't have the advantages that a program like LSU has....bullshite! What does a recruit want?
Nice campus, check.
Proven coach, check.
Program that's not under sanctions, check.
Good conference, check.
Possibility for national championship, check.

South Carolina has everything to offer a student-athlete. There's no reason they shouldn't recruit at the top level.

And for people who bring up Clemson interfering with recruiting, thats laughable. Look at Bama. They have to compete with Auburn year in and year out with recruits, and they still manage to have a success football team. So does Auburn (sometimes)

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So? It was a shitty program before not because of the university but because of the coaches that were hired before him

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Like former LSU coach Paul Dietzel? Or former Notre Dame coach Lou Holtz? Both won national championships at their former schools -- yet had minimal success at USC.

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All of that doesn't matter. If you forget, the original argument was that South Carolina doesn't have the advantages that a program like LSU has....bullshite! What does a recruit want?
Nice campus, check.
Proven coach, check.
Program that's not under sanctions, check.
Good conference, check.
Possibility for national championship, check.

South Carolina has everything to offer a student-athlete. There's no reason they shouldn't recruit at the top level.

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UGA, Clemson, and Florida, our main competitors for recruits, also have these things. And they are all in close proximity of USC.

Well, maybe Clemson doesn't have a proven coach, but he is a better recruiter than coach.

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All of that doesn't matter. If you forget, the original argument was that South Carolina doesn't have the advantages that a program like LSU has....bullshite! What does a recruit want?
Nice campus, check.
Proven coach, check.
Program that's not under sanctions, check.
Good conference, check.
Possibility for national championship, check.

South Carolina has everything to offer a student-athlete. There's no reason they shouldn't recruit at the top level.

And for people who bring up Clemson interfering with recruiting, thats laughable. Look at Bama. They have to compete with Auburn year in and year out with recruits, and they still manage to have a success football team. So does Auburn (sometimes)

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You're right ... now. These days. Modern history, yes, you're right - we now do have all those things to offer. And it is showing. It is why we are signing championship caliber talent - that, and coaching'em-up.

With regard to Clemson and comparing our situation to Bama/Auburn, you're obviously a dumb little diapered turd pants to even go there and try to make that argument. And I have no time to waste on kiddies who are too fricking stupid not to try to make that stupid argument.

I must admit, 99.9% of LSU fans get it - are some of the most knowledgeable college football fans out there. You are either too young and dumb to know when to stfu, or too stupid to realize how stupid you look when you try to make the comparison you just made.

Allow me to give you a few hints.

1 - tradition (both Alabama and Auburn)
2 - early commitment
3 - legendeary coaches (particularly The Bear but not to exclude Wallace Wade or Frank Thomas, or for that matter Shug Jordan or Pat Dye to some extent) (BTW, Clemson's two most famous coaches? Both Bama boys in Frank Howard and Danny Ford. Howard was a good man, Ford was a blatant cheating bastard.)
4 - a willingness to do whatever it took to win - including, at times, cheating. Because people only remember the wins and the championships, not the cheating. And to my knowledge SC has never blatantly paid for a player's services.)
5 - conference affiliation

I could go on and on ... but I won't because you bore me and are evidently too obtuse to recognize the obvious.

What Steve Spurrier is doing is nothing short of miraculous, but he is doing it with the help, and full support, of the SC fan base and that is his ace in the hole. That, and the fact that this state produces an inordinate amount of good football talent per capita and it is only growing in that regard.

Ford's best teams at Clemson were always loaded with NC and GA talent. SC is doing the same thing these days, while pulling the best players from in state and keeping them home ala Gilmore, Lattimore, Swearinger, Holloman, Clowney and many others who, in the past, would have gone out of state.

I could, right now, given any period of time, put together a team made of nothing but SC talent that when added to a few more good players from out-of-state would be a championship caliber team on both sides of the ball. Look around at any SEC team within the small given radius of say Auburn, Georgia and Tennessee (and even Vandy, FSU and UNC) and you can name dozens of All-American, All-Conference players from SC high schools.

That is the difference between now and then.

Regards

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