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re: Is Saban a just above average coach propped by the best players in CFB?
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:34 pm to Perfect Circle
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:34 pm to Perfect Circle
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But obviously one devoid of logic. No has more Nattys.
No, plenty of logic in this thread. I appreciate the civil discussion. We only had a couple of "rant" type posts.
Elite coaching or elite talent?
I'll use Auburn since I know most about them than other teams.
2010 Auburn wins the NC with Gus coaching the offense with Cam Newton at QB.
Who was actually the elite talent that produced that offense that won the title?
Gus or Cam? Coach or player?
This is the same kind of question I'm asking about Saban and his defenses. Of course, Saban coaches up the players, all coaches do to some extent. But when you're starting with the best players in the country, what gets the credit?
The elite talent or the coaches?
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:35 pm to i am dan
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You think other coaches don't demand attention to detail or hard work and demand excellence?
You can demand all you want, that doesn't necessarily mean that you'll achieve it. Some of the worst coaches in the history of coaching worked hard and preached perfection and demanded excellence. At the end of the day they still sucked. Why? Because some coaches talk about excellence while others turn excellence into reality. Saban is constantly reading and researching, looking for anything that can give him a competitive edge. When he finds it, he absorbs it, and manages to effectively implement it. Surprisingly enough, he's one of the few coaches who does that kind of thing consistently.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:37 pm to i am dan
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But when you're starting with the best players in the country, what gets the credit?
The elite talent or the coaches?
Why don't we ask Larry Coker that question?
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:38 pm to TiderTom
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The two things can’t be separated. This is a “chicken or egg” debate. I get you though. The kind of run he’s had, and the basic human nature involved.....well, if I were the fan of another school, I’d be nit picking him too.
Not nitpicking Saban. You could probably look at most national championship winners and find top 10 draft picks on their roster.
Last year, the Clemson QB and #8 receiver was unstoppable. You credit the players for performing at that high level or the coaches? I know it's both, but for the sake of the discussion, which is actually more important?
Would you rather have a great coach with mediocre players or great players with a mediocre coach? Which would be more successful?
Saban has built a dynasty like we've never seen. I believe him to be a great coach for his overall system that produces. But I question if he could take recruiting classes that rank outside the top10 and do it.
That's my question.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:41 pm to i am dan
Coaching is more than Xs and Os. Is Saban the best Xs and Os coach? Probably not.
But no one evaluates talent, is more organized, motivates players, sells a system, and adapts better than Saban.
But no one evaluates talent, is more organized, motivates players, sells a system, and adapts better than Saban.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:42 pm to i am dan
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Would you rather have a great coach with mediocre players or great players with a mediocre coach?
Great coaches tend to recruit great players.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:43 pm to RollTide1987
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Great coaches tend to recruit great players.
Or great coaches turn a 2* or 3* into a top 10 draft pick.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:47 pm to i am dan
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Or great coaches turn a 2* or 3* into a top 10 draft pick.
Most of those instances involve players who weren't looked at as closely by recruiting services. Josh Jacobs was a 3-star RB out of Oklahoma who wasn't on anyone's radar until Saban offered him a scholarship out of the blue. He didn't go Top 10 but he was a first rounder.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:14 pm to i am dan
Ok. “For the sake of discussion, which is more important?” I would have to reiterate that the separation your trying to prove isn’t.....valid(?). That may not be the best word. Your reaching for the answer you want with a framed question. One without the other would be lesser. He may not be the most personable coach...but he is currently the best.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:19 pm to RECConspiracy
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He'll never be as good as Gus Malzahn, that's for sure.
I’m pretty sure that was meant to be facetious lol. But Gus had a chance to be great. He just refuses to change with the times and with what types of players he now should be looking at.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:32 pm to i am dan
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But I question if he could take recruiting classes that rank outside the top10 and do it.
Who has ever really done this since recruiting services have come on the scene? I'm struggling to think of any team who would have won since the early 90's (when I started really following college football) that wouldn't have had at least one Top 10 recruiting class
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:34 pm to Rohan Gravy
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What about 6-10?
What about answering the simple question I asked. What is Miami's record since Saban left. How many playoff games have they won. You know the answer, but to admit defeats your weak-arse premise. Saban was far from the bad NFL coach LSU fans try to portray.
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miserable
No one is more miserable than LSU fans such as yourself after 8 losses in a row. This upcoming 9th loss will be a program breaker.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:38 pm to i am dan
See championship in 2009. And going to SEC championship in 2008
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:45 pm to i am dan
34-24 record at Michigan State. Guess he didn’t learn how to coach until he got to LSU.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:49 pm to BaDoing
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What about 6-10?
What about answering the simple question I asked.
What is Miami's record since Saban left. How many playoff games have they won.
You know the answer, but to admit defeats your weak-arse premise.
Saban was far from the bad NFL coach LSU fans try to portray.
The previous Miami coach Dave Wannstedt had a .575 winning percentage.
Nick Saban took his players and converted them to a .469 winning percentage.
Then Nick Saban quit.
Good job.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 8:58 pm to Rohan Gravy
Boy you are one pitiful LSU fan. Almost Auburn level. The Dolphins were 4-12 the year before Saban took over. They went 1-15 after he left. But you knew that and was just to chickenshit to admit it.
Instead you tried to throw in some stuff from 1999. Why not include the Shula years as well.
Saban took a 4-12 team to 9-7. Could not get the QB he needed and went 6-10. You typify why LSU fans will be crying about their 9th straight loss next week. It's not billboards, refs, Emmert, ESPN, Danielson, and REC. It's just you are too stupid to face facts and can't handle reality.
Instead you tried to throw in some stuff from 1999. Why not include the Shula years as well.
Saban took a 4-12 team to 9-7. Could not get the QB he needed and went 6-10. You typify why LSU fans will be crying about their 9th straight loss next week. It's not billboards, refs, Emmert, ESPN, Danielson, and REC. It's just you are too stupid to face facts and can't handle reality.
Posted on 11/2/19 at 1:36 am to i am dan
Great coach with best bagman in the business
Posted on 11/2/19 at 1:53 am to i am dan
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Saban is a really good coach, don't get me wrong. Give him the recruits the rest of us get and I think he is above average, not great
You guys are the most insecure fan base on here
BTW,please give me your list of "great" coaches.Im talking current and modern day.
This post was edited on 11/2/19 at 2:03 am
Posted on 11/2/19 at 3:24 am to SummerOfGeorge
Place kicking falls into recruiting no?
Posted on 11/2/19 at 6:35 am to i am dan
You know you have won when people seriously think Nick Saban is not a great (possibly the GOAT) coach. He may not win every game, but he will win most of them - with preparation and game management. That is what a head coach does.
I’m sorry but this whole thread is just stupid.
I’m sorry but this whole thread is just stupid.
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