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re: Is Saban a just above average coach propped by the best players in CFB?
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:04 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:04 am to SummerOfGeorge
I will also add that the consistency of the program and the way that we play week and in and week out is something that is unmatched and unrivaled by teams that are close in talent.
The 80+ game win streak against unranked opponents is as much coaching and discipline as it is talent. Everybody loses a random game every 2-3 years. Saban hasn't lost one since we became good in 2008. Not once.
Urban's Ohio State teams were every bit as talented as us per recruiting rankings, and Urban is an all-time great coach. They lost 1 of those games a year (3 of them in blowout fashion).
The 80+ game win streak against unranked opponents is as much coaching and discipline as it is talent. Everybody loses a random game every 2-3 years. Saban hasn't lost one since we became good in 2008. Not once.
Urban's Ohio State teams were every bit as talented as us per recruiting rankings, and Urban is an all-time great coach. They lost 1 of those games a year (3 of them in blowout fashion).
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:05 am to GumboPot
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GM assembling the team with the right talent at the right price.
But that doesn't happen. That's why I replied it isn't a level playing field. Some teams have better players.
You can say college football is a level playing field with your mentality. "Assembling a team" in the NFL is just "recruiting" in college football. Just go recruit the same quality players as the all the good teams.
It doesn't happen.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 11:06 am
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:05 am to i am dan
quote:It's a Friday and I'm bored too.
i am dan
If you gave aTm's offense to Gus, would he improve it and if so, by how much?
Can Gus put a top 10 offense on the field with the talented athletes he has now?
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:05 am to GumboPot
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GM assembling the team with the right talent at the right price.
And this is a big factor you have to include. Do you think Saban's roster in year 1 with the Dolphins was better than 9 wins?
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:06 am to i am dan
Big facts. Look at Georgia. Kirby + Dog Dollaz = a hell of a team, runner-up type of team- and clearly coached by a monkey with a whistle.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:06 am to secuniversity
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Had lesser talent than UF and Texas. Beat both for titles. Had equal talent to LSU in 2011. Beat for title. Had equal talent to Clemson in 2015. Beat for title. Had equal talent to UGA in 2017. Beat for title. Had equal talent to UGA in 2018. Beat for title.
Do I need to check the recruiting rankings for those years?
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:06 am to i am dan
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:07 am to i am dan
The other thing that is different in the NFL is that the NFL, for the most part, is not a development league. It is a scheme and find the right parts for that scheme then execute the scheme league.
College is both evaluating, finding and recruiting the best raw parts but also developing those raw parts. Saban is elite at both of all of those things, and none of them really translates to the NFL.
College is both evaluating, finding and recruiting the best raw parts but also developing those raw parts. Saban is elite at both of all of those things, and none of them really translates to the NFL.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:07 am to i am dan
People act like recruiting is not part of coaching 
If anything Saban has been the victim of a series of freak injuries since 2016 and the SEC officials letting hurry up no huddle teams get away with murder since 2012.
I saw a graph where Alabama's D has had the fewest holding calls on their DL & LBs in the country in the last 10 years despite churning out NFL players year after year. Not just the fewest but by such a wide margin it bears investigating.
Looks like the SEC officials and the officials for other conferences feel sorry for Alabama's opponents and do anything to keep them in the game.
If anything Saban has been the victim of a series of freak injuries since 2016 and the SEC officials letting hurry up no huddle teams get away with murder since 2012.
I saw a graph where Alabama's D has had the fewest holding calls on their DL & LBs in the country in the last 10 years despite churning out NFL players year after year. Not just the fewest but by such a wide margin it bears investigating.
Looks like the SEC officials and the officials for other conferences feel sorry for Alabama's opponents and do anything to keep them in the game.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:08 am to armtackledawg
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Congratulations on asking the most ridiculous question ever on the Rant. Above average coaches don't win 5 or 6 titles or whatever he has. GOAT-tier coaches do.
So you're saying Saban could win the next 5 natties with Florida's team?
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:08 am to i am dan
Not a big Saban fan but the Dolphins fans are probably begging for that kind of mediocrity at this point. He didn’t have the same power in the NFL but he is an elite coach. Let’s not pretend like any other program outside of a handful wouldn’t love that guy on their sidelines
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:09 am to armtackledawg
quote:This is the non-stop queries from rival fans that run through the rant 24/7 and they've done it for damn near a decade.
Congratulations on asking the most ridiculous question ever on the Rant. Above average coaches don't win 5 or 6 titles or whatever he has. GOAT-tier coaches do.
While their own programs have a hard time gaining traction and can consistently compete for championships, they poke holes in everything one of the GOAT college coaches does with his team.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:10 am to Taurus 357
My last post on all this, but I guess if I'm "grading" Saban
Recruiting : A+
Development : A+
Discipline : A+
Schematics : A-
On Field Decision Making : B+
Calling Time Outs : C-
Placekicking : F-
Recruiting : A+
Development : A+
Discipline : A+
Schematics : A-
On Field Decision Making : B+
Calling Time Outs : C-
Placekicking : F-
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:10 am to BaDoing
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saw a graph where Alabama's D has had the fewest holding calls on their DL & LBs in the country in the last 10 years despite churning out NFL players year after year. Not just the fewest but by such a wide margin it bears investigating.
Let’s not pretend that Alabama’s O-Line can’t be accused of the same thing against opposing defensive fronts. It cuts both ways
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:10 am to i am dan
He didn’t win any National Championships at Michigan State.
He didn’t win any SuperBowls in Miami. And he quit, because he knew he was over his head.
I do believe he is just an above average coach without superior talent.
Having said that, he is the best recruiter in the country.
But things just got a bit more competitive in recruiting with LSU, Georgia, and Florida
He didn’t win any SuperBowls in Miami. And he quit, because he knew he was over his head.
I do believe he is just an above average coach without superior talent.
Having said that, he is the best recruiter in the country.
But things just got a bit more competitive in recruiting with LSU, Georgia, and Florida
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:10 am to RT1941
He's the GOAT recruiter and coach.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:10 am to i am dan
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But that doesn't happen. That's why I replied it isn't a level playing field. Some teams have better players.
They have better players due to GM, scout and head coaching decisions.
For example, Sean Payton fell in love with Kamara. He had a vision for him where other coaches in the league did not.
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You can say college football is a level playing field with your mentality. "Assembling a team" in the NFL is just "recruiting" in college football. Just go recruit the same quality players as the all the good teams.
It doesn't happen.
It doesn't happen in the NFL but it does happen in college.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:11 am to RT1941
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If you gave aTm's offense to Gus, would he improve it and if so, by how much? Can Gus put a top 10 offense on the field with the talented athletes he has now?
Hell no, he wouldn't. Gus has to have a great o-line, a great dt qb, and a great rb or it doesn't work. Run run run, throw deep. Can't do it this year. And we see why.
See? I don't get all defensive about football. I don't get pissy if you talk shite about Auburn's coach.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:11 am to Slackaveli
quote:There's a ton of $$ on The Hill man, either get with the times or choose to wallow in sub-mediocrity.
Big facts. Look at Georgia. Kirby + Dog Dollaz = a hell of a team, runner-up type of team- and clearly coached by a monkey with a whistle.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:12 am to GumboPot
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For example, Sean Payton fell in love with Kamara. He had a vision for him where other coaches in the league did not.
Yep - matches us exactly with what I said
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The other thing that is different in the NFL is that the NFL, for the most part, is not a development league. It is a scheme and find the right parts for that scheme then execute the scheme league.
College is both evaluating, finding and recruiting the best raw parts but also developing those raw parts. Saban is elite at both of all of those things, and none of them really translates to the NFL.
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