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re: Is Florida in the "big 6"?
Posted on 12/19/22 at 10:33 am to ClassicCityAlum
Posted on 12/19/22 at 10:33 am to ClassicCityAlum
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Even when Georgia didn’t compete for a Natty, they were still a top ten team in college football.
Not quite.
There are large swaths of Georgia's history where they weren't even ranked, much less a top ten team.
1939 - 1940
1943 - 1944
1947
1949 - 1958
1960
1964
1969 - 1970
1972 - 1974
1977
1979
1984 - 1986
1989 - 1990
1993 - 1995
After Ray Goff, Georgia became a much more consistent program. However, to say they were a top ten program is a stretch too, not so much currently of course.
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 10:33 am to dstone12
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Arky is forced to play a lesser program in Mizz
Yes, that's why they always lose to us.
These are the types of comments that make me think you are on the spectrum.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 10:34 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
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Florida and Tennessee have basically been butt brothers for the last 50 years
Posted on 12/19/22 at 10:49 am to dstone12
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Additionally, Florida proved it was big six after expansion. They belong. Sorry.
This contradicts your previous statement. You said the moniker emerged in 1992. So what Florida or anyone did beyond then is moot.
Also, if what you're saying is true, then why was Vanderbilt paired with Alabama for the first 10 years, hardly a revenue driver when they could've been paired with Georgia for max ratings.
If it were for TV only and those were the "big 6", permanents would've looked something like this.
AL: UGA, UT
Aub: UF, UGA
LSU : UT, UF
UM : VU, UK
MSU: UK, USCe
Ark: VU, USCe.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 10:53 am to Tornado Alley
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Tennessee is the second winningest program in conference history, even despite their struggles the past two decades. So to answer your question, no, you're incorrect, Tennessee has never been outside of the power programs in the conference.
Never said they were, the question is at what point if they continue to be titleless are they?
Posted on 12/19/22 at 10:58 am to Faurot fodder
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see some of you southern baws (mostly dickstain) get riled up over whether or not your team is qualified to be in some made up club, excuse me, part of a moniker.
Who is getting riled up, again? You created a thread about, and have been rustled all morning about the big 6.
You set yourself up, my boy.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:01 am to Faurot fodder
It's quite simple. Since the SEC went to division format in 1992 only 6 teams have won the conference in that entire 30 year span
Bama
Auburn
LSU
UGA
Florida
Tennessee
Those 6 teams also have more appearances in the SEC CG than anyone else
Bama - 14
Florida - 13
UGA - 10
LSU - 7
Auburn - 6
Tennessee - 5
The next closest is Arkansas at 3 appearances though obviously never won it. So if you want to join the club, then win the conference.
Bama
Auburn
LSU
UGA
Florida
Tennessee
Those 6 teams also have more appearances in the SEC CG than anyone else
Bama - 14
Florida - 13
UGA - 10
LSU - 7
Auburn - 6
Tennessee - 5
The next closest is Arkansas at 3 appearances though obviously never won it. So if you want to join the club, then win the conference.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:03 am to Tornado Alley
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After Ray Goff,
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However, to say they were a top ten program is a stretch too
Not really.
Since 1995 (27 seasons), UGA has finished unranked 6 times.
From 1996-2008, UGA was ranked every year but 1996 (Donnan's first season).
How many teams can say that? Probably not more than 10.
Since 1995, UGA is 252-84. 75% winning percentage (not including 2022).
How many teams can say that?
Since 1995, UGA has 12 top 10 finishes (not counting 2022).
How many teams can say that?
Donnan had his issues. But I think you underestimate how good UGA was since he was brought on board.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:06 am to ukraine_rebel
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If it were for TV only and those were the "big 6", permanents would've looked something like this.
Ummm. No it wouldn’t.
Because if you had a half a brain, you'd also know that you need to have one good cross Div rival for views and then keep your big six in the national conversation as well.
Alabama cannot play UT and Uga every year and stay in the national title picture.
That drives money as well. But you’re still stuck on being offended. Sorry, puss.
This is why Roy Kramer was leading the sec and therefore the nation and you’re still over here trying to shoehorn your team into a moniker it cannot fit in to.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:07 am to WaterLink
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The next closest is Arkansas at 3 appearances though obviously never won it. So if you want to join the club, then win the conference.
OP doesn’t want to hear reason.
op>>>
This post was edited on 12/19/22 at 11:11 am
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:12 am to ukraine_rebel
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Never said they were, the question is at what point if they continue to be titleless are they?
It would take another non-big six program to start winning numerous SEC titles for Tennessee to be "kicked out."
My understanding of the Big Six has always been related to winning conference championships. Only those six have won it since 1977.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:15 am to WaterLink
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Since the SEC went to division format in 1992 only 6 teams have won the conference in that entire 30 year span
Actually, it goes back way further than that.
Since Ole Miss won the SEC in 1963, no team outside of the Big 6 has won the SEC Championship. That covers a span of 59 years.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:25 am to Tornado Alley
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It would take another non-big six program to start winning numerous SEC titles for Tennessee to be "kicked out."
My understanding of the Big Six has always been related to winning conference championships. Only those six have won it since 1977.
You need to take this up w/ some of our brethren here who think it developed in 1992 due to TV.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:29 am to GusAU
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Since Ole Miss won the SEC in 1963, no team outside of the Big 6 has won the SEC Championship. That covers a span of 59 years.
Put some respeck on 1977 Kentucky, Barner.
6-0 in conference play but Bama was declared the outright champion because they got an extra game over Kentucky and the Cats were on probation.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:31 am to dstone12
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Ummm. No it wouldn’t.
Because if you had a half a brain, you'd also know that you need to have one good cross Div rival for views and then keep your big six in the national conversation as well.
Alabama cannot play UT and Uga every year and stay in the national title picture.
That drives money as well. But you’re still stuck on being offended. Sorry, puss.
This is why Roy Kramer was leading the sec and therefore the nation and you’re still over here trying to shoehorn your team into a moniker it cannot fit in to.
I'm not trying to shoehorn in anything. I freely admit we're not in that group. We were at one time, and my original question was when would Ole Miss have been phased out to kind of help set criteria as what makes one top team, the arbitrary 6 the board has selected.
To your point, if that's true, then Florida and Auburn must have felt short-changed to have each other then LSU and Georgia respectively as other permanents. Were they not worthy of being protected like Alabama and Tennessee?
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:45 am to ukraine_rebel
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To your point, if that's true, then Florida and Auburn must have felt short-changed to have each other then LSU and Georgia respectively as other permanents. Were they not worthy of being protected like Alabama and Tennessee?
Not really sure what you’re trying to say, here.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 12:07 pm to Faurot fodder
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Is Florida in the "big 6"?
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I forget who those people are.
Whenever I can't remember all of tBigSix members, I just look back at who has won National Titles from the SEC over the last 30 years and that tells me.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 12:16 pm to dstone12
You said the reason Alabama and UT were paired up against Vandy and Arkansas was bc they needed a softy to help keep them relevant in the national title picture. Floria and Auburn were not afforded this.
Could've given State to Florida and UK to Auburn, problem solved.
Could've given State to Florida and UK to Auburn, problem solved.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 12:18 pm to ALTiger
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Whenever I can't remember all of tBigSix members, I just look back at who has won National Titles from the SEC over the last 30 years and that tells me.
Would you consider 30 years your cut-off? That would be a reasonable number.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 12:38 pm to ukraine_rebel
quote:I guess this his why I am confused. I may have not worded it correctly, but i don’t think I said that Alabama and UT were paired up against vandy and Arky. So I am confused there.
You said the reason Alabama and UT were paired up against Vandy and Arkansas
quote:at the time, it was all fair.
Floria and Auburn were not afforded this.
Alabama got a good TENNESEE program as cross Div permanent.
Auburn got a good program in uga
LSU got a good program in Florida.
IT did pretty dang well and was the right move that drove the sec above any other conference and is true to this day.
quote:why?
Could've given State to Florida and UK to Auburn, problem solved.
This post was edited on 12/19/22 at 12:39 pm
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