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re: Is Brian Kelly an upgrade to Ed Oregon?
Posted on 4/10/25 at 2:01 pm to UFFan
Posted on 4/10/25 at 2:01 pm to UFFan
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Is Brian Kelly an upgrade to Ed Oregon?
clearly yes
Orgeron is basically a slightly better version of gene chizik; a guy that has been a perennial loser everywhere he's been but lucked into a storybook generational kind of year that is all they're remembered for. Let's also remember LSU had joe burrow, CEH, jjefferson, and jamar chase in 2018 as well but still lost 3 games. [it's at this point in the post that slobbering lsu tards are hitting reply to tell me that that team beat UGA, as if that somehow changes any of the above]
With orgeron you were more likely than not to be pretty bad, with a slight glimmer of being pretty good. Kelly is never going to win a title but his floor is exponentially higher than O's.
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Posted on 4/10/25 at 2:04 pm to captdalton
I'm getting tired of hearing about how LSU had to grab the runner-ups from the campus IFC flag football league to field a team in the Texas Bowl immediately prior to BK.
Kenny Dillingham (in his firat job as a HC at any level) took over an Arizona State team that went 3-9 in 2022 and had them in the CFP last year.
LSU was good enough to receive a Texas Bowl bid in 2021, BK (has been a collegiate HC since 1991) took over, brought in a future Heisman winning QB, and where did LSU end last season? Let me check my notes...
Kenny Dillingham (in his firat job as a HC at any level) took over an Arizona State team that went 3-9 in 2022 and had them in the CFP last year.
LSU was good enough to receive a Texas Bowl bid in 2021, BK (has been a collegiate HC since 1991) took over, brought in a future Heisman winning QB, and where did LSU end last season? Let me check my notes...
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 4/10/25 at 2:28 pm to captdalton
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Why has BK's most success at Red Stick been with that horrible roster?
The ugly truth is BK surprised teams his first year. He comes up short when teams are ready for him.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 2:59 pm to Murph4HOF
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I'm getting tired of hearing about how LSU had to grab the runner-ups from the campus IFC flag football league to field a team in the Texas Bowl immediately prior to BK.
Sorry you’re tired of hearing about it, but someone asked the question so LSU fans are responding. No one is making you post ITT.
LSU had a WR playing QB in that Texas Bowl.
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Kenny Dillingham (in his firat job as a HC at any level) took over an Arizona State team that went 3-9 in 2022 and had them in the CFP last year.
Cool. LSU and a number of SEC teams would have won the Big 12 last year.
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LSU was good enough to receive a Texas Bowl bid in 2021, BK (has been a collegiate HC since 1991) took over, brought in a future Heisman winning QB, and where did LSU end last season? Let me check my notes...
This is spot on. I don’t think anyone is happy with 3-4 losses every year.
However, 8-4 is better than 6-6.
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 4/10/25 at 3:00 pm to da prophet
quote:Truth
He comes up short
Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:38 pm to captdalton
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Comparing overall winning percentage is apples and oranges because not all programs are equal. As the LSU coach, Brian Kelly and Coach Orgeron are within a few percentage points.
Okay?
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I know one thing, if Kalen Deboer has two 4 loss seasons and one 3 loss season in his first three seasons at Alabama there will be 0.0% Alabama or LSU fans saying he is a good coach.
Well hopefully not.
BK took over a .500 team, DeBoer took over a playoff team.
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Yet that is exactly what Brian Kelly has done at LSU. And he had a Heisman winning quarterback for two of those.
Jayden Daniels was fairly average in 2022.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 7:00 pm to Murph4HOF
Brian Kelly fans love to point to Ed Orgeron going 5-5 and 6-7 atLSU. But they ignore the disastrous 4-8 season that Kelly had at Notre Dame in 2016. They also ignore the 2012 and 2013 seasons when Notre Dame, under Kelly, had to vacate all their victories.
By on rhe field results, Kelly had as many losing seasons at Notre Dame as O did at LSU. Based on the official records, Kelly had three losing seasons at Notre Dame, three times more than O did at LSU.. Kelly had 500 or worse seasons at Grand Valley State and Central Michigan too.
Brian Kelly has been a college head coach for 35 seasons. So of course he has a lot of victories, 8.3 per season on average. But since his stint in DII, he has never once won the big game that really mattered.
Maybe he will figure it out at age 64. Old dog. New trick.
By on rhe field results, Kelly had as many losing seasons at Notre Dame as O did at LSU. Based on the official records, Kelly had three losing seasons at Notre Dame, three times more than O did at LSU.. Kelly had 500 or worse seasons at Grand Valley State and Central Michigan too.
Brian Kelly has been a college head coach for 35 seasons. So of course he has a lot of victories, 8.3 per season on average. But since his stint in DII, he has never once won the big game that really mattered.
Maybe he will figure it out at age 64. Old dog. New trick.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 7:13 pm to UFFan
No
Posted on 4/10/25 at 7:14 pm to captdalton
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Brian Kelly fans love to point to Ed Orgeron going 5-5 and 6-7 atLSU. But they ignore the disastrous 4-8 season that Kelly had at Notre Dame in 2016.
Because one of those happened in 2016 and the other happened back to back in 2020 and 2021.
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They also ignore the 2012 and 2013 seasons when Notre Dame, under Kelly, had to vacate all their victories.
Because that had nothing to do with Kelly...
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By on rhe field results, Kelly had as many losing seasons at Notre Dame as O did at LSU.
Which is sad considering Kelly was at Notre Dame over twice as long as O was at LSU.
Notre Dame was also a much worse situation when Kelly was hired than LSU was when O was hired.
This really isn't that hard.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 7:36 pm to SidewalkTiger
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This really isn't that hard.
It obviously is for you.
Brian Kelly has been at LSU three seasons and has two 4 loss seasons and one 3 loss season. His best season was his first and he has shown no overall improvement. Yet you are still pumping sunshine and carrying his water. No, this is VERY hard for you.
Brian Kelly may be the worst type coach a program can have. He wins enough that you just can’t fire him. Because maybe, just maybe, next year will be the year. Yet so far, 35 years in, next year has not been the year. If a school and fanbase is happy with 8-10 wins a season and going to a bowl game he is the perfect coach. If you want to win a national championship though you are fricked.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 7:42 pm to UFFan
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Is Brian Kelly an upgrade to Ed Oregon?
If you don't think so.... you're one fricking idiot.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 7:58 pm to SouthernInsanity
It will be fun to compare Ed Orgeron’s six years at LSU with Brian Kelly’s six years at LSU. Assuming Kelly makes it six years.
I predict that Kelly’s best three year run won’t compare to Coach O’s. Coach O’s 2nd, 3rd and 4th seasons were pretty good.
2017: 9-4
2018: 10-3
2019: 15-0
In his first four seasons Coach O had a markedly improved record each year. Kelly has not. Then O won a natty, covid happened, and he started playing Brandyball. The man had a lot on his plate.
Coach O’s best three seasons resulted in a 34-7 record and a national championship.
So far in three seasons Kelly is 29-11 with a west division title. If Kelly doesn’t have a really good to great season in 2025 then LSU and it fans will be awfully restless.
I predict that Kelly’s best three year run won’t compare to Coach O’s. Coach O’s 2nd, 3rd and 4th seasons were pretty good.
2017: 9-4
2018: 10-3
2019: 15-0
In his first four seasons Coach O had a markedly improved record each year. Kelly has not. Then O won a natty, covid happened, and he started playing Brandyball. The man had a lot on his plate.
Coach O’s best three seasons resulted in a 34-7 record and a national championship.
So far in three seasons Kelly is 29-11 with a west division title. If Kelly doesn’t have a really good to great season in 2025 then LSU and it fans will be awfully restless.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:04 pm to captdalton
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It obviously is for you.
Brian Kelly has been at LSU three seasons and has two 4 loss seasons and one 3 loss season. His best season was his first and he has shown no overall improvement. Yet you are still pumping sunshine and carrying his water. No, this is VERY hard for you.
Brian Kelly may be the worst type coach a program can have. He wins enough that you just can’t fire him. Because maybe, just maybe, next year will be the year. Yet so far, 35 years in, next year has not been the year. If a school and fanbase is happy with 8-10 wins a season and going to a bowl game he is the perfect coach. If you want to win a national championship though you are fricked
He's still better than O, which is the question here.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:32 pm to captdalton
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In his first four seasons Coach O had a markedly improved record each year. Kelly has not.
Hard to compare Ed's first 4yrs to CBK when he's only been here 3yrs. But people tend to forget the state of the program when CBK came in... which was a 2020 5-5 season and 2021 6-6 season.
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I predict that Kelly’s best three year run won’t compare to Coach O’s. Coach O’s 2nd, 3rd and 4th seasons were pretty good.
Other than the lightening in the bottle in 2019, I still think CBK is ahead and because you're probably giving Ed the nod just because of the natty.
Ed O
2017: 9-4
2018: 10-3
2019: 15-0
Brian K
2022: 10-4
2023: 10-3
2024: 9-3
Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:40 pm to Murph4HOF
Man, there was a great shot of whatever that TE's name was watching Mason Taylor pull that 2 pointer in in 2022.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:00 pm to UFFan
LSU on the mind of this pathetic VGT on a Wednesday afternoon at 5:37pm. 
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:18 pm to UFFan
Yes, he's an upgrade.
LSU won't be awful while he's there. Obviously was not the case with Ed.
Chizik won a title. Not easy, but you can stumble into one.
LSU won't be awful while he's there. Obviously was not the case with Ed.
Chizik won a title. Not easy, but you can stumble into one.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:30 pm to tigerbait2010
And AM baseball coaches
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:51 pm to koreandawg
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Chizik won a title. Not easy, but you can stumble into one.
Speaking of Chizik, how much better off did Auburn end up being firing him after one losing season? He had a 63.4% winning percentage and won a national title as Auburn’s head coach. How successful was the string of coaches that followed? In the 12 seasons and three coaches since they fired him Auburn has one sole west division title and one SEC title. That SEC title came in Malzahn’s first season with Chizik’s players. They had one additional tie for a west division title. Nine of those twelve seasons Auburn had 5 or more losses. Four of those twelve seasons they had a losing record. They were 2-8 in bowl games with the biggest win being the Music City Bowl. They had two seasons with 10 or more wins. The most successful coach that followed and the only one with a winning record was Gus Malzahn. He won 66.3% of his games compared to Chizik’s 63.4%. And it only cost Auburn $20 million for that extra, inconsequential win.
As much money as they spent on buy outs and coaches salaries in the last 12 seasons how much worse could Gene Chizik have really been?
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:26 pm to captdalton
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Speaking of Chizik, how much better off did Auburn end up being firing him after one losing season?
They went from 3-9 to a national championship appearance, that seems much better off.
There's a reason why Orgeron and Chizik were fired just two seasons after winning natties. There's also a reason why no one else has hired either.
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