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re: Is Brent Venables next in this sign stealing fiasco?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 12:44 pm to Aggie in TN
Posted on 10/25/23 at 12:44 pm to Aggie in TN
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Great football teams have video staff that do nothing but film and watch film and listen to the other team.
I get what you're saying. But there is a specific set of rules in this case. And Michigan does seem to have broken those rules very specifically to the letter. Ofcourse you are right in that all kinds of analysis goes on with pre-game film, broadcast coverage, utilizing former players and staff if you've got them, etc....
I heard about the Venables rumors years ago and rather persistently. But I never heard of scouts on staff, with paid tickets and expenses, showing up on the sidelines weeks later telling the coaches what the other team's play is about to be. Maybe it happened and it's just that nobody ever knew where to look and we'll find video footage and money trails and the whole mess of things that's spilling out with Michigan. Maybe.
I have a feeling it's going to be a big slap on the wrist for Michigan and Harbough and the gang just because of the way the world is spinning at this point in time. In any case, I don't think that makes it right to break rules of this nature at all and moreso so blatantly at that.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 12:46 pm
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Posted on 10/25/23 at 12:49 pm to Tejada
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I'd wager every team does this in some capacity.
Pete Golding didn’t on 3rd down.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 12:53 pm to Aggie in TN
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Great football teams have video staff that do nothing but film and watch film and listen to the other team.
This includes signs and audibles. Every little detail. There’s a reason Saban has 40 people on his staff. Half of them watch and listen to film all day.
What Michigan did was perfectly legal because it was in the open. If Michigan snuck into another campus or inside a closed door practice like the patriots I would consider it to be different.
No, because...as you would now if you had actually followed this story...what Michigan did was highly ILLEGAL because on campus scouting is explicitly forbidden by the NCAA. It was banned in 1994.
Yes...schools watch film all the time...film that they have legally exchanged with other schools. That's not what Michigan did.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 12:54 pm to dallastiger55
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They all said they’ve known about this for years and that Brent Venables was the other guy everyone knows about.
I know it sounds like I am bitter - but there is no way they could have shelled us 44-16 in the NC without knowing our plays. They stopped everything
Posted on 10/25/23 at 12:58 pm to Pastor Mike
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They all said they’ve known about this for years and that Brent Venables was the other guy everyone knows about.
I know it sounds like I am bitter - but there is no way they could have shelled us 44-16 in the NC without knowing our plays. They stopped everything
Anything happening at Clemson wouldn't have just fallen on Venables...it would have been Dabo. Venables would not have had the power to reimburse anyone for tickets, travel expenses, etc.
And Venables didn't have anything to do with the 44 points. Or the fact that Savion Smith played for Alabama.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:12 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
OU had Texas' number on both sides of the ball, regardless.. it still comes down to execution and my Horns did not execute when they had the chance.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:20 pm to BurntOrangeMan
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it still comes down to execution and my Horns did not execute when they had the chance.
well that's the trick, isn't it? if all this video scouting/pattern breaking didn't help teams like michigan and oklahoma disrupt their opponents execution, they wouldn't be doing it.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:23 pm to Aggie in TN
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What Michigan did was perfectly legal
No, it's not. The rules specifically prohibit it.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:03 pm to PerrillouxToTexas
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well that's the trick, isn't it? if all this video scouting/pattern breaking didn't help teams like michigan and oklahoma disrupt their opponents execution, they wouldn't be doing it.
Again if your talking film scouting every school does this…
If your talking filming livegames in advance only Michigan has been accused of this….. wierd post
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:09 pm to BamaGradinTn
I guess I didn’t “no.”
I think the term “on campus scouting” is a bit nefarious.
If you’re in the stands at a game, why shouldn’t you be able to film? You’re in public view?
Each team should assume and everything they do at a game is being filmed and therefore shareable.
This is what I would push for speakers in the helmets. I don’t know why coaches keep citing it down.
I think the term “on campus scouting” is a bit nefarious.
If you’re in the stands at a game, why shouldn’t you be able to film? You’re in public view?
Each team should assume and everything they do at a game is being filmed and therefore shareable.
This is what I would push for speakers in the helmets. I don’t know why coaches keep citing it down.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:31 pm to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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Oklahoma? Cheat?!?
Never....
What if an OU coach drew up a fake offensive play script and 'lost' it on the field before the game.. and the other team found the fake script and called plays to counter the script.. is that considered cheating? If yes, which side cheated?
The untold story of Mike Leach's 'lost' OU play script that fooled Texas
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:54 pm to MOJO_ERASER
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we went no huddle when we played them in 2014
quote:No huddle doesn’t mean spread.
it’s why Saban and any goof defensive guy hates the spread offenses.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:27 pm to Naked Bootleg
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"Yeah, it was kind of shady, but it's OU-Texas. There are no rules."
OU in a nut shell.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:29 pm to Aggie in TN
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This is what I would push for speakers in the helmets. I don’t know why coaches keep citing it down.
Dude, seriously? If people can steal signs visually, you don't think they can pick up radio signals/transmission? You need to watch more crime-TV
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:34 pm to Pastor Mike
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Dude, seriously? If people can steal signs visually, you don't think they can pick up radio signals/transmission? You need to watch more crime-TV
Digital encryption of radio signals is easy.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:36 pm to Naked Bootleg
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What if an OU coach drew up a fake offensive play script and 'lost' it on the field before the game.. and the other team found the fake script and called plays to counter the script.. is that considered cheating? If yes, which side cheated?
The untold story of Mike Leach's 'lost' OU play script that fooled Texas
I prefer the youtube version
LINK
Bonus points: Who was the QB of the OK team???
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:56 pm to Naked Bootleg
deception does not equal stealing (codes).
Saw a recent Stoops interview, he said he didn't know about the incident until much later in the season.
The best part of the story is from the Texas side & Mack & crew admitting they were weary, but taking three+ series to realize they had been fooled. fricking morons shld've known after one series max.
Saw a recent Stoops interview, he said he didn't know about the incident until much later in the season.
The best part of the story is from the Texas side & Mack & crew admitting they were weary, but taking three+ series to realize they had been fooled. fricking morons shld've known after one series max.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:56 pm to BamaGradinTn
quote:You make it sound like the scouts had to be paid through the athletic department accounts payable system.
Anything happening at Clemson wouldn't have just fallen on Venables...it would have been Dabo. Venables would not have had the power to reimburse anyone for tickets, travel expenses, etc.
Anyone would have to be a fool to leave a paper trail that transparent. IF Venables or any other coach chose to employ the same system Michigan is alleged to have concocted, all they have to do is pay in cash for tickets & travel expenses. IF an offensive coordinator chose to operate that way, he could pay out his own pocket and the HC may never know about it.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:09 pm to RT1941
Well, everyone will have communication via the helmet next year so we will find out real quick who has been cheating
No more stealing for Venebles entering the SEC
No more stealing for Venebles entering the SEC
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:34 pm to Aggie in TN
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Did you not hear from Jamarcus and Jeff Saturday this morning?
Great football teams have video staff that do nothing but film and watch film and listen to the other team.
This includes signs and audibles. Every little detail. There’s a reason Saban has 40 people on his staff. Half of them watch and listen to film all day.
What Michigan did was perfectly legal because it was in the open. If Michigan snuck into another campus or inside a closed door practice like the patriots I would consider it to be different.
I’m going to wait to hear all the facts but at this point it all sounds typical.
I am seeing now why Texas A&M sucks so bad over the years.
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