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re: Is Bama still a Southern School
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:03 am to CapstoneGrad06
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:03 am to CapstoneGrad06
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That legacy of Jewish students coming to Alabama is how Bernie Madoff ended up at Alabama.
My Dad remembers Bernie Madoff when he went to Bama
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:06 am to BamaMamaof2
I have two kids at Bama right now as well and both are in the Greek system. I was there in the 80's and it has changed immensely. I like the changes and the dorm situation is light years better. The strip has been cleaned up a little too much for my liking though. The main reason for the increase in OOS is the merit scholarship. 32 ACT gets more than 100K over 4 years and it is non-competitive. It was the best money we could find in the SE. It was cheaper to send them to AL than to keep them in state at TN.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:11 am to SJTide
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The strip has been cleaned up a little too much for my liking though.
Agreed. Booting Alex and the Locker Room off the Strip for a fricking CVS
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:12 am to TutHillTiger
Can you still get in Bama with a 16 on the ACT?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:12 am to SJTide
I have two at Bama right now both Greeks, driving over for parent's weekend tomorrow.
If someone hasn't been to campus in the last 4-6 yrs you wouldn't recognize it. Growth is a good thing, pouring $$ into the infrastructure and building for the future is a good thing.
If someone hasn't been to campus in the last 4-6 yrs you wouldn't recognize it. Growth is a good thing, pouring $$ into the infrastructure and building for the future is a good thing.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:25 am to WestCoastAg
The South lost the war because Yankee,s wife was fricking for gum powder & we run out of shell!!! 
EM !!!
EM !!!
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:34 am to SmokeTide
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Here's a breakdown of the numbers in 2019 couldn't find more recent enrollment information.
2019
Of the 38,103 undergraduate, professional and graduate students enrolled at UA in the fall semester of 2019,
39.7% come from Alabama
56.5% come from elsewhere in the United States
3.8% are international students from 76 countries
56.4% are women
43.5% are men
Alabama has more undergraduates from Texas or more Western states than Northern regions.
It's been effort to bring in more diverse talent from all over USA/worldwide as of late also because of the disparity in Alabama public schools vs Private schools you don't have as many college ready seniors in state.
I may be mistaken, but isn't the idea behind a state's publicly funded, flagship university to educate the citizens of that state?
If the students in Alabama aren't up to snuff, maybe the better plan would be to improve the high school education instead of just recruiting out of state kids to pay higher tuition.
And I know this isn't just a Bama problem, I live in Columbia and see a million New Jersey license plates
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:37 am to HoldenOversoul
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I may be mistaken, but isn't the idea behind a state's publicly funded, flagship university to educate the citizens of that state?
They are doing that.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:41 am to HoldenOversoul
The thing is, the number of in-state students at Alabama hasn’t really changed. There’s roughly 15,000. That’s on par with what was 20 years ago. It’s just a much larger student body overall. With the vast majority of those coming from out of state. It was a quantity issue, not a quality issue for the state of Alabama. This was all the brain child of former president Robert Witt.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:41 am to topcat88
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Can you still get in Bama with a 16 on the ACT?
The average ACT score at University of Alabama is 27. This score makes University of Alabama Moderately Competitive for ACT scores.
The minimum composite score is 19 to be accepted.
LSU is 19 in English and Math with a composite of 22 or higher to be accepted. The student average is 26 at LSU.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:48 am to HoldenOversoul
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If the students in Alabama aren't up to snuff, maybe the better plan would be to improve the high school education instead of just recruiting out of state kids to pay higher tuition.
Everything is Earmarked in Alabama, especially with deficit shortfall the first place the state goes to replace or borrow money is Alabama Education Fund. So gap between public schools and private schools grows each year. It's a multiple layers issue without getting political.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:59 am to SmokeTide
Oh they raised it. Ten years ago a buddy of mine got in with a 16. Yikes.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:23 am to topcat88
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Oh they raised it. Ten years ago a buddy of mine got in with a 16. Yikes.
Was his name Arik Gilbert?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:36 am to RelentlessTide
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Was his name Arik Gilbert?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:54 am to TutHillTiger
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Some of even said bama is or is about to be a majority out of state school.
They have been for a few years now.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 11:04 am to TutHillTiger
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Yep just looked it up moving in on 60% out of state and going up yearly
I mean I’m not mad at em for marketing well and landing OOS kids
Posted on 4/15/21 at 1:02 pm to TutHillTiger
Good thing LSU is so shitty they will never have this problem.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 1:34 pm to TutHillTiger
This is a complex issue, but I do have some perspective. My wife teaches at a university in Alabama, and my son is a college recruiter.
Several reasons:
1. Educational funding in Alabama forces Alabama to pursue other non-traditional funding origins - that is, not directly from the state but rather a large portion from out of state students and also athletic funding. In that regards, Nick Saban's salary is one of the best investments on the planet. The success of Alabama athletics has both brought in millions of dollars and thousands of new students. Are there better schools out there? Of course. But despite that, Alabama IS a pretty good college and is nationally ranked in many programs. The sports teams bring a lot of exposure and marketing.
2. A lot of out of state students attending Bama is due to the other states school funding structure. Example - in Texas, you are guaranteed a slot at a state school if you finish in the top ten percent of your HS class. But there literally are not enough GOOD slots open due to the population growth. You might have a kid who is a legacy for Univ of Texas, have a 4.2 GPA, come from an affluent family... and the only slot opening for them is at UTEP or N. Texas State. the family can afford it, so the kid ends up at Bama, Ole Miss, etc etc etc. Texas has literally added the equivalent population of the entire state of Alabama in the last few years.
3. In many cases, Bama's out of state tuition is cheaper than in-state at many schools. This is a good case for all the Illinois students who drive due south to Bama.
4. Weather is a factor. While we have four seasons here, the winters are short and mild. This is a lot bigger deal to a lot of people than you might think.
5. Academic standing is rising. The average incoming freshman's ACT score is 27 and trending to 28. That sort of boggles my mind as an AVERAGE. I had an academic scholarship to Bama when I attended with not much more.
6. Greek life does have a draw and impact. See some of the other points above... you may have a Greek legacy student who can't get into a particular fraternity/sorority where they originally wanted to go because of quotas or cost... but they can get into Bama and into the Greek system.
Anyway, just some thoughts.
Several reasons:
1. Educational funding in Alabama forces Alabama to pursue other non-traditional funding origins - that is, not directly from the state but rather a large portion from out of state students and also athletic funding. In that regards, Nick Saban's salary is one of the best investments on the planet. The success of Alabama athletics has both brought in millions of dollars and thousands of new students. Are there better schools out there? Of course. But despite that, Alabama IS a pretty good college and is nationally ranked in many programs. The sports teams bring a lot of exposure and marketing.
2. A lot of out of state students attending Bama is due to the other states school funding structure. Example - in Texas, you are guaranteed a slot at a state school if you finish in the top ten percent of your HS class. But there literally are not enough GOOD slots open due to the population growth. You might have a kid who is a legacy for Univ of Texas, have a 4.2 GPA, come from an affluent family... and the only slot opening for them is at UTEP or N. Texas State. the family can afford it, so the kid ends up at Bama, Ole Miss, etc etc etc. Texas has literally added the equivalent population of the entire state of Alabama in the last few years.
3. In many cases, Bama's out of state tuition is cheaper than in-state at many schools. This is a good case for all the Illinois students who drive due south to Bama.
4. Weather is a factor. While we have four seasons here, the winters are short and mild. This is a lot bigger deal to a lot of people than you might think.
5. Academic standing is rising. The average incoming freshman's ACT score is 27 and trending to 28. That sort of boggles my mind as an AVERAGE. I had an academic scholarship to Bama when I attended with not much more.
6. Greek life does have a draw and impact. See some of the other points above... you may have a Greek legacy student who can't get into a particular fraternity/sorority where they originally wanted to go because of quotas or cost... but they can get into Bama and into the Greek system.
Anyway, just some thoughts.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 1:41 pm to iglass
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iglass
Nice post.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 1:58 pm to TutHillTiger
Everyone wants to be part of a winner. It’s no coincidence that the rapid growth of the university paralleled the success on the football field.
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