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re: Is anybody here worried about what CFB is becoming?

Posted on 5/13/21 at 6:23 pm to
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 6:23 pm to
Teams in the P5 conferences will change as well. Will it be 14 or 16 in each conference?
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Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21223 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 10:16 pm to
After 30 years you come to the conclusion that Arkansas never had it in them to get better in football.

Arkansas use to be a respected football program but now they are just picking up a check in the SEC.

Baseball is a lot more interesting because the school didn't try and screw it over. It wasn't a big revenue provider and they left DVH to himself which never happened in football. So it thrived as it was left a lone to grow.

Basketball, the brass ruined it and it took a lot of effort but they did a fine job. Muss has done well but Arkansas fans are well trained in the art of expected disasters.

Posted by Blackie LeBlanc
Member since Apr 2021
244 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:21 am to
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How do you "present evidence" about something that hasn't even occurred?


Yet here you are making unsupported assertions that NIL will damage college football. You have provided no evidence that it will, but are asserting your opinion as fact. You stated:

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You're either too young, or too naive to have a clue about what NIL is going to do to amateur sports.[b]


Nice ad hominem, by the way.


Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:23 am to
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Can you please explain how this will work?
That's my question. How will the NIL work?
Can I entice a recruit with a $50K "advance" to come to my school with the "intent" for him to "one day" shoot a commercial for TJ Ribs?
And if so, how does that work if the commercial never gets shot?
This NIL could be opening up a whole new can of worms, and IMO could quite possibly be nothing more than letting schools off the hook who are already doing this type of thing but find it increasingly more difficult to keep it under wraps.

Am I worried about what CFB is becoming? As a lifelong CFB fan, I am quite concerned about the NIL and the tinkering with playoffs relative to a bowl system that used to be a highlight of the sport, but now has become an after thought.

Money and greed is the ruination of all things, and college football is a microcosm of the downfall of this country over the last 100-plus years.

#inbeforeokboomer
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21223 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:24 am to
I don't think it will change as much in college football as people think. Once a hierarchy is established in football, it is extremely difficult to climb the ladder.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21223 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:27 am to
Let the players have fun and not worry a bout how much money they should be making. That is what amateur sports is a bout. Just love playing the game.

Now once it gets to the pros, it is a job.
Posted by HotRock
Starkville,MS
Member since Aug 2018
510 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:32 am to
NO, I cannot explain it but denying them the right to earn money is BS.

I can't explain how DAK made 180 million either in one year.

What's to explain. They can earn whatever it is they can earn.
Posted by nws100
Member since Oct 2020
30 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:41 am to
in season opt outs are already here. Just take a look at 2020 LSU
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21223 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:46 am to
Nothing wrong with golf. A sport that I should have played as it is a game of patience and focus.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21223 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:47 am to
A lot of questions and not enough answers.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14094 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:47 am to
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That's my question. How will the NIL work?
Can I entice a recruit with a $50K "advance" to come to my school with the "intent" for him to "one day" shoot a commercial for TJ Ribs?


Big business or little business canNOT contact high school recruits. PERIOD.

Once on campus they can hire an agent and make any deal they want.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26958 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:18 am to
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That's my question. How will the NIL work?
Can I entice a recruit with a $50K "advance" to come to my school with the "intent" for him to "one day" shoot a commercial for TJ Ribs?


Ok, for starters, let's clarify how NIL will most definitely NOT work.

The commercial that you're going to have your recruit in will not mention the name of your school, nor will the recruit be able to wear any team gear or even the school logo on a shirt.

Go back and check the Scott Cochran/Nick Saban Regions Bank commercial. Alabama is not mentioned anywhere in the commercial, nor are Cochran and Saban wearing the school logo.

There are virtually no high school recruits who have the name recognition necessary to make any kind of money without being somehow being tied to your school in the commercial.

In the situation you described, it would be a legal agreement between the rib joint and the player. If the commercial never gets shot, then I guess it would pose a situation for the NCAA to investigate since NIL isn't a factor...it ends up just being a cash payment to a player. If the booster/restaurant owner gets hammered the first time it happens, that might discourage others. But if the school isn't involved, there shouldn't be any penalty. The school would probably have to disassociate from the booster.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21223 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:28 am to
Corporate football. Just like anything that is corporate sucks.
Posted by reauxl tigers
Tiger Woods Fan
Member since Aug 2014
7953 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:37 am to
Well given LSU is one of the 5 schools that are emerging as the clear cut recruiting heavy weights year in year out, not really. (Bama, OSU, Clemson, UGA, LSU. I mean with the portal and all, it might cause some issues down the line, but for now, WEEEEEEEEE!
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21223 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:52 am to
So it really doesn't change the landscape of college football. The highly rated players will still go to the elite schools and while the second tier schools get the scraps.
Posted by tgdawg68
Georgia
Member since Dec 2019
569 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:55 am to
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Yet here you are making unsupported assertions that NIL will damage college football. You have provided no evidence that it will

No different than you not providing any evidence to the contrary.

quote:

I think the product of today is better than at any point in history

Where's your evidence for this assertion??

Here's you an ad hominem: Dumbass!


Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35632 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:19 pm to
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The commercial that you're going to have your recruit in will not mention the name of your school, nor will the recruit be able to wear any team gear or even the school logo on a shirt.

Go back and check the Scott Cochran/Nick Saban Regions Bank commercial. Alabama is not mentioned anywhere in the commercial, nor are Cochran and Saban wearing the school logo.

There are virtually no high school recruits who have the name recognition necessary to make any kind of money without being somehow being tied to your school in the commercial.

In the situation you described, it would be a legal agreement between the rib joint and the player.
So, just as I suspected, this is already happening. All NIL would do is make it all nice and legal.

I could see why Saban might be against this. It's taking away his "advantage" as other coaches might otherwise not take the risk of getting slapped for it while Saban knows the extent to which he is being "protected" against any possible sanctions.

And how can this still be considered "amateur" sports?
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
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Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:22 pm to
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This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 12:25 pm
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26958 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:24 pm to
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I could see why Saban might be against this.




I think Saban knows that he has a facility 10 miles up the road that can put every single player in a brand new Mercedes in return for showing up at an event or two at the plant.

Treat any warning by Saban like all his other warnings...do you really want this? Because if you do, he's gonna figure out a way to use it to his advantage and beat the shite out of you even worse than he is now.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 12:26 pm
Posted by TX Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
35632 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:35 pm to
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I could see why Saban might be against this.





he's gonna figure out a way to use it to his advantage and beat the shite out of you even worse than he is now.
Oh, I agree. When you don't have to worry about repercussion, you can take more chances than the other guy.

That was my point. NIL might level the playing field in that it makes legal, for everybody else, what he's already been doing.

I'm certainly not implying that Saban is the only one doing it. I would be surprised if all the major players (Ohio State, Clemson, LSU, etc.) weren't. But Saban has been vocal about it, and even Finebaum said that NIL could be Saban's ultimate downfall.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 12:38 pm
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