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Interesting graph from CFBData
Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:30 am
Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:30 am
They basically made a graph trying to determine which coaches inherited the best situations when they came in. They call it the 3rd base index
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:50 am to diddlydawg7
Explain this to me like I'm a 5 year old pStephen.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:52 am to diddlydawg7
Considering how high the team talent is for Kelly on this datapoint I'm thinking they couldnt factor in (or factored in AFTER) he had to recruit half a new team coming in to only 38 scholarship players. 
Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:53 am to diddlydawg7
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:58 am to thunderbird1100
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Considering how high the team talent is for Kelly on this datapoint I'm thinking they couldnt factor in (or factored in AFTER) he had to recruit half a new team coming in to only 38 scholarship players.
It includes transfers to fill out a roster
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 9:19 am
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:01 am to diddlydawg7
it isn't the first head coaching job for a lot of coaches on that list.
brohm, smith, leipold, fisch and elko are straight killers with the jobs they've done.
brohm, smith, leipold, fisch and elko are straight killers with the jobs they've done.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:10 am to thunderbird1100
The portal cuts both ways. He was able to fill gaps well enough to beat Alabama and win the West through the portal.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:13 am to diddlydawg7
I don't see Nick Saban on those graphs. 
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:15 am to TideSaint
No 247 composite in the age of the dinosaurs.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:28 am to meansonny
But we can all agree that Saban inherited a shite show of a program and what he's done is a damn miracle
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:29 am to diddlydawg7
Whoever made the criteria for that is literally retarded if they think Venables had one of the better situations coming in. He had a mass exodus of players including the QB who went on to have one of the better college seasons of all time the very next season
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:30 am to diddlydawg7
Marcus Freeman can't possibly be at number 4. We all know Brian Kelly can't recruit.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:31 am to teamjackson
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But we can all agree that Saban inherited a shite show of a program and what he's done is a damn miracle
Miracle?
Lol
You are correct though.
Saban built Bama into the wrecking ball that it became.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:31 am to VolSquatch
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Whoever made the criteria for that is literally retarded if they think Venables had one of the better situations coming in. He had a mass exodus of players including the QB who went on to have one of the better college seasons of all time the very next season
Oklahoma was an absolute dumpster fire when Venables took over
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:33 am to diddlydawg7
Also, look what Brian Harsin did to Hugh Freeze 
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:34 am to SidewalkTiger
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Oklahoma was an absolute dumpster fire when Venables took over
No one in their right mind would take what Venables had his first year over what say Kirby had at Georgia his first year. There is absolutely 0 chance. Compare the rosters
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:44 am to diddlydawg7
This is actually very interesting.
Day is 55–6 (.902) with three conference titles.
Helton went 46–24 (.657), while Orgeron went 51–20 (.718). Both won one conference title, but given the 2019 hardware, Orgeron clearly gets a pass here. Thus, Clay Helton is certainly the most underachieving at the top, given his inherited talent.
Maybe still a little too early for Freeman, Sark, and Venables.
Both Taggart and Harsin going 9–12 (.429) in two years is pathetic.
Day is 55–6 (.902) with three conference titles.
Helton went 46–24 (.657), while Orgeron went 51–20 (.718). Both won one conference title, but given the 2019 hardware, Orgeron clearly gets a pass here. Thus, Clay Helton is certainly the most underachieving at the top, given his inherited talent.
Maybe still a little too early for Freeman, Sark, and Venables.
Both Taggart and Harsin going 9–12 (.429) in two years is pathetic.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 10:14 am to 1BIGTigerFan
There's some context missing in certain scenarios (IE Matt Luke having a better situation to take over than a lot of coaches - staring down a massive probation and multi-year bowl ban) but it's an interesting chart.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 10:15 am to diddlydawg7
This chart makes Lance Leopold and Jeff Brohm look like the best program builders in the game.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 10:23 am to TideSaint
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I don't see Nick Saban on those graphs.
Damn Bama fans and their reading comprehension. The Chart Title, “First Year Power Five Head Coaches (since 2015)”
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