re: I'm Gonna be serious with this board

A 32 yr old man hitting on a 14 yr old girl was not uncommon back then in 1979?? Maybe in your world, I was 15 then and it wouldn't of been tolerated no way no how here in KC. He would of been ostracized from the community at the very least and the cops would of been on him like stink on shite. Just amazing.

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Yes but that’s third party in a deposition. It wouldn’t even be admissible in a trial. And the DA never followed up on it.
In fact, the ginger QB coach and Schiano were never employed at PSU at the same time. It was the ginger recalling a conversation he had with Bradley.

That said, I wouldn’t want him near Bama.

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Perfectly concise summation of why this is now such a difficult topic.

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A 32 yr old man hitting on a 14 yr old girl was not uncommon back then in 1979?? Maybe in your world, I was 15 then and it wouldn't of been tolerated no way no how here in KC. He would of been ostracized from the community at the very least and the cops would of been on him like stink on shite. Just amazing.

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yeah - amazing is correct

amazing what a dumbass you are

seriously

go back and read what I actually said

I'll give you a hint

1 - I said that men dating younger women was common; especially in rural areas (KC is pretty rural though - right?)

2 - I said that I believe the 14 year old is lying - at worst; IF she met him; she told him she was older - I can see that as a possibility

I am not thrilled with the concept; but I am also not ready to call my grandfather, Elvis Presley or Edgar Allen Poe "pedophiles" (and the Elvis/Priscilla relationship was close to that same time)

I am from Atlanta; a big city (like KC) - so I am a little uncomfortable with the idea

my wife is from a more rural area & she is outraged that people are maligning Moore's behavior

I said it several times - the story of the 14 year old is troubling; but she has a history of making unfounded allegations and of lying

she is not at all a credible person - if she is telling the truth; then Moore was way out of line & deserves scorn

but she's not telling the truth

Moore is questionable anyway (he has shown blatant disregard for the law & failed to execute his duties a a Jurist)

but he is far better than his opponent and he is also better than Luther Strange; who is a liar and a snake

at least Moore stands for what he believes - no I don't agree with him on everything

but to see a guy get taken down by unfounded allegations is even more troubling

40 year career in the public spotlight & accusations come out right before a special election for Senate; an election that could turn the balance of power in DC

bullshite

several of his accusers have been adequately discredited or outright proven to be lying

the rumor that he was banned from a mall has been debunked

and the timing of the accusations is way too convenient

will someone move this to politics or SEC OT??

Married one or not the guy was a creep and predator but you keep believing what you want.

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yes, Schiano denies it now; but I tend to give more credibility to sworn testimony from a court proceeding

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Where the frick does it say "sworn testimony"? Oh and BTW , PEOPLE frickING LIE DURING "SWORN TESTIMONIES" ALL THE frickING.


Tennessee fans look like retards.

There is a difference, Roy Moore is apart of the Christian Taliban.

If you think the laws of this country should come from the Bible you are no different than the Islamist.

Not to get political in here nor religious but this should be pointed out because his sole purpose is to get into the Senate and to destroy American democracy.
It really makes you wonder about the people handling him.

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and you are willing to throw Moore under the bus for 11th hour allegations? one came from a known dem operative one from a woman that had him as her judge for her divorce I spoke up loud and strong against Bentley and voted against Strange twice because of his actions concerning the Luv Guv I voted for Brooks in round 1 and Moore in round 2 you want to have a real conversation here? I'll go this far then, outside of the claims of the 14 year old (who has made similar accusations in the past and has credibility issues outside of this) - Roy has not been accused of doing anything wrong - nada We know that the yearbook deal is super sketchy and probably a forgery we know that the ONLY credible witness insofar as "mall bans" vehemently denies them (the mall security manager from that actual time period - a much more credible witness than any that have come out against Moore) we know these accusations came at the 11th hour with the national balance of power at stake Roy chasing younger women? I don't like it; but it was not uncommon back then my wife has a cousin her same age that started dating her now husband when she was 15 Elvis & Priscilla? 90% + of THIS board has an uncle or grandfather that married a woman 10 or more years younger & started dating when the girl was 15-21 it was not a big deal at the time (one of the women actually admitted that her mom said she was the "luckiest girl in the world") also, Roy wound up marrying one of those "girls" ALL of them (even the 14 year old) acknowledge that Roy backed off when asked and took them home sexual impropriety is not even alleged in ANY of the cases I don't like Moore; I find it troubling that he has demonstrated that he is above the law and that he can do as he damn well pleases but I am for damned sure not going to support an obstructionist to the agenda of THIS President; not over unsubstantiated allegations the situation with Moore vs the Tenn coach? worlds apart I did not show "moral cowardice" in the Bentley situation (I was a strong advocate for impeachment); and I am not in this case either your finger wagging is misplaced here I will close with this - do YOU really want strong passes made at a woman to be redefined as "sexual harassment" & made into a crime? and should the accused be demonized and forced from gainful employment before proof of guilt (guilty until proven innocent)???

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I had an Uncle who married an underaged Girl. I loved him but it always bothered me and I certainly wouldn't have voted for him for the U.S. Senator. I wouldn't have voted for Elvis either. Slavery was once also commonplace and it was always morally reprehensible. You at least seem somewhat conflicted by your cognitive disonance maybe if you take a long look in the mirror you'll understand how honest decent conservatives would rather see a lib in Office than an acussed child molestor.

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I hear what you are saying, and I regret that our discussion turned so heated (probably my fault)

I will say a few last things -

Moore is not accused of "molestation" (except maybe the 14 year old, but even her story is that he took her home when asked)

I see this much the same as slavery - should our founding fathers be ostracized because they did not meet today's standards? removed from building, city, state & highways?

I voted for Moore (and Brooks before him) because of my disgust with Strange. I am not 100% comfortable with Moore; but I do feel the harsher accusations are part of a smear campaign & as I said before, I am not thrilled with being pushed into a position where I have to defend him

lastly; if there is any truth to the allegations that wind up being proven (or reasonably proven) - he can be removed from office - worst case at the ballot box in 2020

a mere accusation; especially one that looks on the surface to be politically motivated, should not sink someone

so there you have it

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I accept my part of the blame for the lack of civility, but I'm melting. This debate triggers me like nothing else and it's because about 2/3s of my family aren't on speaking terms with the other 1/3. It's me, my dad , and my 2 sisters vs my brother and mother. It's uglier than anything I could have imagined. This is the type of thing that could cause a permanent riff.

BTW I reject your founding fathers argument because Moore is our contemporary, foolish argument to be honest. Also I reject any and all conspiracy theories and your suggestion that you don't trust the women because you don't know them while talking about what's out of character for who you also don't know. If you trade integrity for expediency, you'll never get your integrity back.