re: I'm furious

That contract though...................

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That contract though...................

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It’s just like the one they gave White that renews itself and keeps him AD forever unless he changes his mind. All this was to secure the program for Jimmy and friends.

Tennessee guys, here's what you are getting, coming from a Mizzou fan:

The good
1. He will develop your qb - he IMO got the most out of Drew Lock. Better than Dooley who took over after Heupel left.
2. Your offense will have life and creativity.
3. He will likely be hands off the defense and let the DC do whatever he wants.

The bad
1. He leaves programs high and dry. He took the UCF job when Mizzou had a bowl game against Texas - a game that Mizzou could have won if he was calling the plays.
2. He and Odom were at one point not talking to each other for some reason. Both were to blame... People say he isn't a great leader.
3. The offense could be bad without the right players for his system.. You could be looking at possessions that last less than 1 minute.

Also, this is our Thank you for sending us Derek Dooley a few years back.

OP shouldn’t be furious he should be thankful. Both the AD and HC are improvements over what the university has had in over 10 years. They both come from successful programs and the AD comes from a legacy of good AD’s. The NCAA investigation uncertainty kept any other potential candidates from considering the position.

You don’t really think Steele would have been much better do you?

I will say that the hatred towards Butch is also tied into the way the AD handled it all, and the circumstances of his leaving

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First of all, no, he didn't lose "to every decent team he played."

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Ok, you named 2 games during one season where I was "incorrect" and we beat a team better than us. Over the course of 5 seasons. That's not enough. During that "magical" season that he beat UF and UGA and put us in the drivers seat for the East, he also lost to Vandy, Missouri, and South Carolina and pissed it away. We did not beat good teams. While Butch was there, we beat 3 SEC teams that finished in the top 25. Thats it.

And i'm really not sure how bringing up a Bama loss is relevant to your point. The following season, we lost to them 49-10. Butchs avg loss to Bama was by 26 points.

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So that justifies the pure hatred in your post that's typical of virtually every Vol fan? Having sub-par skills?

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If you single out each individual factor, no, that doesn't justify hatred. But the hatred comes from the combination of all the factors i mentioned. A coach is generally hired and fired for his X and O skills, and Butch had none to speak of. Watching him piss away 2nd halves was infuriating.

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Yeah, that's right. But not because of Jones. It was because of Tennessee and the pure disgust we all have toward the Vols. We knew how much it would get under your skin...as you have proven that it did. So you hate Jones so much because of all the shite we talked. Nice.

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Generally you want the rest of the league to fear your coach, not make fun of him. The fact that the rest of the world could see he was a buffoon yet he remained on the sidelines was also infuriating. It was clear after 2015 that he couldn't cross into the elite level and it was only made more clear in 2016.

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And, pray tell, whose fault was it that you were paying him millions to work for us? You hate Jones because your athletic department was run by idiots?

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Its not my fault, that's for sure. Hatred at the handling of a situation can bleed over to the participants. I hate that UT sucks at hiring/firing coaches and I hate that he was allowed to exercise a loophole and go work for Bama as a coach while getting paid by us as a coach. Not to mention he sought a head coaching gig the second we stopped paying him. I dont expect CFB coaches to have morals, and im sure that $$$ signs would influence me to do a lot that im not proud of, but that doesn't preclude my right to be upset with his golden parachute after shitting all over my school.

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Tough shite. You know how you keep that from happening? Don't fire him, and then he'd have been in your locker room.

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He went 4-8? We didn't want him in the locker room

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You guys don't deserve to have a successful coach.

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that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. However, I disagree.

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Now that's real comedy.

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Kiffin certainly has a personality. I thought I had read somewhere that he expressed remorse publicly but I guess I was wrong. Oh well

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I will say that the hatred towards Butch is also tied into the way the AD handled it all, and the circumstances of his leaving

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So, to be clear, part of the reason you hate Butch so much is because of something someone else did.

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Ok, you named 2 games during one season where I was "incorrect" and we beat a team better than us.

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You said he lost to every decent team he played. Yeah, I only mentioned two, but there were more decent teams, and even good teams, that he beat.

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he also lost to Vandy

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So did Dooley. So did Pruitt. But Butch is the one you hate.

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put us in the drivers seat for the East

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When did Dooley or Pruitt ever put you in the driver's seat for anything? But Butch is the one that gets all the hate. At least Butch put you in that position.

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We did not beat good teams.

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bullshite. He actually beat five teams ranked in the top 25 at the time they played...South Carolina (11), Northwestern (12), Florida (19), Georgia (25) and Nebraska (24). Pruitt only beat two. Dooley didn't beat any. But you...and the rest of your fan base...have all this hatred toward Jones that they don't have toward Dooley or Pruitt (yet).

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Butchs avg loss to Bama was by 26 points.

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Pruitt's average loss to Bama was by 30, and Dooley's was 31. But Butch is the one you have all the hatred for.

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Generally you want the rest of the league to fear your coach, not make fun of him. The fact that the rest of the world could see he was a buffoon yet he remained on the sidelines was also infuriating.

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You don't think we laughed our asses off at Dooley and Pruitt? Derek Dooley...the architect of the 6-2-5 defense? Derek Dooley, with his instructions on proper showering techniques? And Pruitt? Pretty much every Bama fan has known all along that when Jeremy Pruitt isn't coaching defense on a football field, he's dumber than a box of rocks. But Butch is the one that gets all the hate.

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We didn't want him in the locker room

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Then don't bitch about him smoking cigars in our locker room.

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Kiffin certainly has a personality.

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Lane Kiffin is the one who literally caused you to end up with Derek Dooley. Orgeron admitted that he called Tennessee recruits the night Kiffin resigned, and only the most naive would think that Kiffin didn't know. Kiffin is responsible for pushing Tennessee over the edge into the abyss that you're in now...but you guys all love Kiffin and hate Butch with the fire of a thousand suns.

Look, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Butch did a terrific job at Tennessee. I'm not saying he didn't make absurd statements and lose games that he could have and should have won. And I'm not saying he shouldn't have been fired. I get all that. I would have wanted him fired too. What I'm saying is that it's irrational to have such a personal hatred for the guy, when he was actually the best of the three, and he didn't get you in the NCAA shitter. And I'm not just directing that toward you personally. It's an attitude that the entire fan base seems to share.

If I was a Vol fan, although I certainly would have been frustrated with Butch and wanted him fired, I wouldn't hate the guy personally. I'd be far more likely to hate Pruitt for what he's done.

But the guy I would really hate would be Kiffin. He's the one who talked about singing Rocky Top all night and then left you in the dead of night. He's the one who tried to steal your recruits the night he left. He's the one who left you at a time of year when finding a quality replacement was pretty much impossible. He's the one who pushed you over the cliff into the abyss. But all you guys still love him. It really is like a battered spouse.

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If I was a Vol fan, although I certainly would have been frustrated with Butch and wanted him fired, I wouldn't hate the guy personally. I'd be far more likely to hate Pruitt for what he's done.

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When I say hate, I don't mean I personally hate the man. I wouldn't spit on him in the street or anything. If i met him id shake his hand and introduce myself.

But I figuratively hate what he symbolizes, the feeling we had under his tenure after every season, what he looks like, and how me makes me feel. You mention Dooley and Kiffin, well, I hate them for what they did too. For many of the same reasons and many different ones. I hate many administrators who have led us to this point. My "hatred" is nondiscriminatory. Probably won't subside until we can stabilize a little bit and win a game or two.

Kiffin is more entertaining and endearing than Dooley or Butch, and has had some success since he left, so maybe that answers your question a little bit. I do compare him to an ex girlfriend who you talk shite about but would take back in an instant given the chance.

You originally asked why fans feel this way towards Butch, and I gave you a list of reasons. Im sorry you dont agree. Maybe you'd feel differently if you were a VOLS fan and went through it all

All I can hope is that the ensuing power vacuum after Saban's retirement fricks up your program for a bit