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re: If USC beats Clemson

Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:27 am to
Posted by Tenn grad LSU fan
Woulhuntdn't you like to know spazz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:27 am to
Wow without your qb lol fsu anyone
Posted by U_south_cack
Member since Sep 2016
748 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:28 am to
Nah we beat lsu. The refs beat Robby ashford tho
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
101348 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:30 am to
I can see the argument for sure.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
7238 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 12:48 pm to
quote:

Clemson team that was demolished by UGA, who lost to Bama and Ole Miss, who both beat USCe.



This argument can go a different direction, as well.

Alabama beat SC by two points, at home. Neutral field, hwo would oddsmakers place it?. Bama loses to Vandy, and gets boatraced by Oklahoma. SC skullfricked both of those teams, and has a better late-season victory than Alabama's marquee victory over UGa, which is well in the rear-view mirror.

I'm not saying SC gets in. I am saying, of the three 3-loss teams that have a chance, their resume is best - even though they've lost the head 2 head. Objectively, SC is a better football team than Alabama or Ole Miss right now. I'm not sure that is controversial.
Posted by carolinaswamper
unincorporated swamp, johns island,
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

What is your best win?
the '85 bears
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
22112 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 12:54 pm to
They'd still need more help.

This committee wants to disregard strength of conference and reward W-L records irregardless of conference.
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
3666 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 12:57 pm to
quote:

This argument can go a different direction, as well.


Except that Bama and Ole Miss beat USCe on the field, so the argument holds little weight.

USCe would be trying to use a Clemson win to prop themselves over teams they lost to in Bama and Ole Miss. The problem with that is the same Clemson team lost badly to a common opponent that both Bama and Ole Miss beat in UGA.

Maybe I'm putting too much weight into the head to head, and it sucks because USCe is playing great football right now, but I just don't see how anyone could put them in a playoff over a 3 loss Bama or a 3 loss Ole Miss.
This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 12:58 pm
Posted by Dawg4Life47
Beach
Member since Sep 2013
11301 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 12:58 pm to
No because Ole Miss beat them
Posted by pbro62
Baton Rouge
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15171 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 12:59 pm to
Get in to what? Theater? McDonald’s?
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 1:02 pm to
Posted by IvIerlot
Knoxville, TN
Member since Oct 2022
830 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 1:03 pm to
South Carolina would need 2 additional upsets, (in addition to them winning, in any capacity, over Clemson).

One of the other 2 upsets would probably need to be Auburn over Alabama.

There are a couple of paths.
This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 1:05 pm
Posted by Bearded
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 1:06 pm to
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This post was edited on 3/9/25 at 1:55 pm
Posted by 1801
Charleston
Member since Aug 2012
8354 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 1:13 pm to
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One of the other 2 upsets would probably need to be Auburn over Alabama.

Ole Miss - Auburn - Oklahoma - Missouri - Texas - Vandy - if those teams win next weekend Carolina would finish 3rd in the SEC with all the ridiculous tie-breakers -
Posted by TexasOnTop
Member since Nov 2023
6189 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 1:18 pm to
No. They won’t jump Bama unless Bama takes another loss.
This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 1:18 pm
Posted by caliegeaux
Booo Cheeeen
Member since Aug 2004
12307 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 1:23 pm to
Let me settle this. Y’all both lost to lsu so even if that was your only loss it should be an automatic disqualifier for playoffs.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
7238 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

Except that Bama and Ole Miss beat USCe on the field, so the argument holds little weight


They absolutely did. No two ways around this. It's a big problem, for sure.

Again, I'm not saying SC gets in over those two.

I am saying that they're a better football team right now. And they would be more dangerous in the CFP.

I'll do you one better. If the resumes of SC and Bama were flipped, and it was SC that had a two point victory earlier in the year, but has faltered down the stretch while Bama is on an absolute heater, there is no doubt in my mind that Bama would get the nod in that case. Same with Ole Miss.

There's a degree of "helmet logo" bias in this exercise. Bama and Ole Miss were both expected to be in this position. SC was not. SC has played its way into this conversation, while Bama and Ole Miss have kinda played their way out of it.
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
3666 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:07 pm to
quote:


I'll do you one better. If the resumes of SC and Bama were flipped, and it was SC that had a two point victory earlier in the year, but has faltered down the stretch while Bama is on an absolute heater, there is no doubt in my mind that Bama would get the nod in that case. Same with Ole Miss.


I would say USCe should be in because they beat Bama or Ole Miss.

There is not helmet bias, this season.

USCe lost to to both Bama and Ole Miss. It would be a totally different scenario had they won one of those games, but they didn't.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
7238 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

would say USCe should be in because they beat Bama or Ole Miss.


I appreciate your consistency, and the respectful conversation. We disagree, and that's perfectly OK.

Cheers.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
20893 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:10 pm to
Sure why not. That fact this is being discussed is a sign the current system doesn’t work.
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
3666 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:22 pm to
I'd love nothing more than to see USCe get in over Bama and Ole Miss because it would put a feather in LSU's cap of a bad season, lol.

Here's to hoping for even more chaos next weekend.
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