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re: If the SEC adds Clemson and FSU, I think that'll be the end of SEC expansion
Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:28 am to 308
Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:28 am to 308
Yes this is about money, clemson/fsu would be in the top half of the big and sec according to tv numbers playing acc schools. Adding those eyeballs to fan bases that wouldn't normally watch them(big ten) would be a ratings bonanza, not saying the big will go that route but to say they wouldn't consider it is foolish. If it really is going to be just two conferences the bigs best move would be to pluck them and any west coast team that has a following. If the big does that the sec will 100% be behind in money when the split happens. Fsu/clemson keeping a weaker schedule but making big ten money would destroy the sec middle class
Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:41 am to JetDawg
The SEC died with the last expansion.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:02 am to JetDawg
Posted on 6/14/23 at 11:43 am to morriscat2
Obviously I’m not a fan for one of the football freeloading schools. All I’m saying is when the money becomes to drive everything, like it is now, more schools will be asking “why am I splitting money with Vandy/Mizzou/Kentucky” and more tv execs will be saying “why am I paying more money for Vandy vs Mizzou?”
Posted on 6/14/23 at 11:55 am to AllInAllTheTime
You don't exclude Clemson just because SC doesn't like them, or Fla State because of Fla.
We're headed for super-conferences, where pods/divisions will resemble historical conferences. Oklahoma and Texas will anchor a Midwest pod, with Mizzou, A&M and Arky being easy fits. You're most of the way to a second conference with that already.
If you can cherry-pick ACC schools, you do the same approach- you go for the big dogs, and the others will follow. You then take some to fill in the rest, and go from there. If those two bring UNC along, you might get someone like Ga Tech and NC State, and you have the heart of the old ACC restored under the SEC flag.
Let the Big 10 figure out what to do with the Pac leftovers. Do they want a Big 10 Pac division? Stanford, Washington, Oregon?
We're headed for super-conferences, where pods/divisions will resemble historical conferences. Oklahoma and Texas will anchor a Midwest pod, with Mizzou, A&M and Arky being easy fits. You're most of the way to a second conference with that already.
If you can cherry-pick ACC schools, you do the same approach- you go for the big dogs, and the others will follow. You then take some to fill in the rest, and go from there. If those two bring UNC along, you might get someone like Ga Tech and NC State, and you have the heart of the old ACC restored under the SEC flag.
Let the Big 10 figure out what to do with the Pac leftovers. Do they want a Big 10 Pac division? Stanford, Washington, Oregon?
Posted on 6/14/23 at 11:57 am to bamabaseballsec
Posted on 6/14/23 at 12:00 pm to JetDawg
If this were to happen at this point there is no need for a natty to be played. Conference winner would be that. At that point there are what 2 other teams that would even be worth playing.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:28 pm to JetDawg
UNC and Virginia will get in before Clemson and FSU based on marketshare. I think it might be an expansion with all four. Let's just quit calling it the SEC, can we?
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:34 pm to OklahomaLurker
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I don't think the SEC will voluntarily double down in states.

Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:38 pm to JetDawg
Call me in 2032 or thereabouts if you want to discuss adding ACC schools. They have a grant of rights that ties them up until 2036. OU and Texas managed to buy themselves out of the Big XII's grant of rights exactly one year early. I don't see any ACC schools doing better than that, unless there is some kind of coordinated move with the Big 10 to take in enough schools so that a vote to dissolve the ACC would succeed (I believe that would require at least a 2/3 majority, maybe more). I just don't see that happening.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 2:56 pm to twk
quote:What I understand, is that the number of schools required would be eight.
Call me in 2032 or thereabouts if you want to discuss adding ACC schools. They have a grant of rights that ties them up until 2036. OU and Texas managed to buy themselves out of the Big XII's grant of rights exactly one year early. I don't see any ACC schools doing better than that, unless there is some kind of coordinated move with the Big 10 to take in enough schools so that a vote to dissolve the ACC would succeed (I believe that would require at least a 2/3 majority, maybe more). I just don't see that happening.
8 schools leaving would break whatever clause forces a penalty to be paid.
So, who would be the 8 likely suspects? I'd say Clemson, Fla State, UNC, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Duke, Ga Tech, and Miami would all have some level of attractiveness to the SEC.
Big 10 (thinking expansion and creating their own subconference) would probably be interested in a bunch of those, and figure in Boston College and Syracuse, maybe Pitt. I don't know about academics, I am looking at regional matchups that would come into play.... they have Penn State and Rutgers. Syracuse, BC and Pitt would fit nicely with them, give them a viable Northeast pod.
If the Big 10 and SEC want to break the NCAA, the path to do so would be to absorb the bigger schools from the ACC, a couple more from the Pac 12, and then form their own bi-conference tournament- SEC vs Big 10. Take the powers, let a few more trickle in, and those 2 conferences work together to exclude NCAA control.
Let the NCAA run a tournament alongside that with teams like Boise and UCF, and see which one gets the better viewing numbers

That's the direction I see this going; anybody that's worth watching will join one of the 2 big conferences, and they will break away and negotiate their own deals. And to hell with Cinderella/mid-majors, that's the role Vanderbilt and Purdue etc will fill.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 3:02 pm to gamecockhub
UGA would love the big10 conference less than 90 miles from their doorstep. 120 miles from Columbia is irrelevant, as is USUC.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 3:10 pm to JetDawg
Despite the latest tweet going around is still imagine UNC is pick one for Sankey . Likely the only ACC school that has a true invite to both the SEC or BIG
They very well might get significant say in who they bring along . Within reason i.e. UVA or NC State
They very well might get significant say in who they bring along . Within reason i.e. UVA or NC State
Posted on 6/14/23 at 3:15 pm to Le Coq Sportif
quote:I can't see anyone getting excited about NC State. They don't move the dial.
They very well might get significant say in who they bring along . Within reason i.e. UVA or NC State
UNC does for basketball, but I would think you need a football school to come also. That's the lifeblood of the SEC.
Don't think "who do I like?", but instead- pick a team that you'd like nothing more than to kick their arse in a home night game. That's where Clemson and Fla State come in.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 3:17 pm to Jack Daniel
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It’s not contraction, it’s adding value by subtraction. A network will pay more for Georgia vs Clemson than Georgia vs Vanderbilt
Why should we care what the networks want?
Why should their objectives be important to us?
Posted on 6/14/23 at 3:23 pm to Scoob
quote:I looked at the ACC bylaws a while back and they are silent on the subject, so I think that some folks are making the logical leap that a bare majority could vote to dissolve the conference, or maybe that a bare majority could vote to terminate the contract. I don't think either of those are true. As to dissolution, I believe the state of incorporation is North Carolina and some kind of super majority is required to terminate the deal. And, from my recollection, I don't think the contract can be terminated by majority vote as I believe that an amendment requires all schools to sign off, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.
What I understand, is that the number of schools required would be eight.
8 schools leaving would break whatever clause forces a penalty to be paid.
At any rate, I would take that claim that 8 schools is enough with a big grain of salt.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 3:35 pm to Scoob
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Don't think "who do I like?", but instead- pick a team that you'd like nothing more than to kick their arse in a home night game. That's where Clemson and Fla State come in.
I was viewing FSU and Clemson as package coming in already . UNC would get a say in who they bring in as #4
I’d prefer to stop at 18, but think 20 is more likely
Posted on 6/14/23 at 4:47 pm to Scoob
I only see the SEC adding max 4 teams to be at 20 by 2030. I Can see BIG expanding to 20 by 2026 and maybe 24 by 2030.
My RANKINGS for order conferences would add teams would be:
SEC: ND, UNC, FSU, Clemson, Miami, UVA, VTech, GTech, OKSt, NCSt, Louisville.... But additions are pairs. Like if the SEC gets FSU, Miami may just drop from the board; If they get UVA, they won't go for VTech, etc.
BIG: ND, Miami, FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA, VTech, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, GTech, Pitt, Cal...
My PREDICTION for Realignment for 2026 season would be:
SEC: UNC and UVA as SEC locks.
BIG: Notre Dame and Miami as BIG locks.
FSU and Clemson being a complete toss up, but with FSU more likely to join the B10 and Clemson more likely to join the SEC. I think Both conferences desire either, and both Schools would love to be in either conference. See it going either way. I do think IF SEC gets FSU, Clemson, UNC, and UVA then they will be 100% done with expansion though. Those would be their 4 actual targets. Like they'd obviously accept ND, but that has about a 1% chance of happening.
Oregon and maybe an additional PAC school could join the BIG by the end of the decade, but they won't be in the realignment by 2026. VTech would be the next team up and fit in either conference after the 4 main ACC schools + ND leave.
Right now I lean towards
SEC: UNC and UVA
BIG: ND, Miami, FSU, and Clemson
and realignment ending until end of decade.
My RANKINGS for order conferences would add teams would be:
SEC: ND, UNC, FSU, Clemson, Miami, UVA, VTech, GTech, OKSt, NCSt, Louisville.... But additions are pairs. Like if the SEC gets FSU, Miami may just drop from the board; If they get UVA, they won't go for VTech, etc.
BIG: ND, Miami, FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA, VTech, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, GTech, Pitt, Cal...
My PREDICTION for Realignment for 2026 season would be:
SEC: UNC and UVA as SEC locks.
BIG: Notre Dame and Miami as BIG locks.
FSU and Clemson being a complete toss up, but with FSU more likely to join the B10 and Clemson more likely to join the SEC. I think Both conferences desire either, and both Schools would love to be in either conference. See it going either way. I do think IF SEC gets FSU, Clemson, UNC, and UVA then they will be 100% done with expansion though. Those would be their 4 actual targets. Like they'd obviously accept ND, but that has about a 1% chance of happening.
Oregon and maybe an additional PAC school could join the BIG by the end of the decade, but they won't be in the realignment by 2026. VTech would be the next team up and fit in either conference after the 4 main ACC schools + ND leave.
Right now I lean towards
SEC: UNC and UVA
BIG: ND, Miami, FSU, and Clemson
and realignment ending until end of decade.
This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 6/14/23 at 4:53 pm to JetDawg
No to FSU, Miami, Ga. Tech, Clemson (nothing to gain with these teams).
Possible yes to NC/VA schools if more teams are needed.
But expansion is not really needed now.
Possible yes to NC/VA schools if more teams are needed.
But expansion is not really needed now.
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