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re: If Bama doesn't win the natty next year is it indication that Saban has lost his edge?

Posted on 1/30/19 at 4:00 pm to
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6528 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 4:00 pm to
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If Bama does not win, the suicide watch will be in full force.




So you think Alabama should win at least every other year? Cool. I don't expect that, especially considering we didn't win in 2013 or 2014, but it's interesting that other team's fans think it.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6528 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 4:11 pm to
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Bama on the other hand will drop from winning 2 out of the previous 6 down to 2 out of the previous 7.


nice spin.

As it it, though, Alabama has won 2 of the last 4 and 5 of the last 10. No other team ever has won 5 of 9, as Alabama did. For that matter, no other team has ever won 5 of 10.
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 4:15 pm
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6528 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 4:22 pm to
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his thread went over so well in the bama board you decided to take it big time, huh? What a retard


Searching his post history, that thread is deleted, so I assume the Alabama mods deleted it. He may be banned there by now.

Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 4:34 pm to
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nice spin.

As it it, though, Alabama has won 2 of the last 4 and 5 of the last 10. No other team ever has won 5 of 9, as Alabama did.


2009- Alabama
2010- Auburn
2011- Alabama
2012- Alabama

2013- Florida St.
2014- Ohio St.
2015- Alabama
2016- Clemson
2017- Alabama
2018- Clemson

Yes, those numbers are correct. Just as its also correct to say that Bama has won just 2 of the previous 6. You can spin it one way just as I can spin the other.

But one thing that is not a spin is the fact that Bama was winning titles at a much faster rate at the beginning of that 10-year period relative to the rate it is winning them at the latter end of this period.

If Clemson wins the Title in 2019, there is no denying that Clemson will have overtaken Bama as the nation's premiere program. They too have now won 2 of the last 4 to pull equal to Bama. If they make it 3 of the last 4, its safe to say they are the new Top Dog.

Time will tell.
Posted by SAINTS0321
Member since Jan 2016
3963 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 4:59 pm to
I agree it's odd numbered yr..we own dat
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6528 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:11 pm to
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BHMKyle


As previously noted, some of you expect more of Alabama than some of us Alabama fans do. You evidently expect a national title at least every other year. Personally, I don't think that's reasonable. Alabama has won every other year since 2014 but to think it will continue indefinitely is goofy. You say UA is winning less now than before, but it's that middle span that Alabama won less often. Spinning it the way you do, Alabama won only once in the 4 year span of 2013-2016 seasons, prompting these guys to say the same thing then that you're projecting to the future. Not sure which is more ludicrous. Those guys saying it was over then because Alabama hadn't won in a couple of years, or you saying it may be over next year if (you hope) UA doesn't win then... dynasty over according to Cowherd and Klatt
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 5:14 pm
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:10 am to
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You evidently expect a national title at least every other year.


Nope. Never said that. Never thought that.

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Alabama has won every other year since 2014 but to think it will continue indefinitely is goofy.


I completely agree. Which is why I said I think the Saban era peaked in 2011/2012.

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Alabama won only once in the 4 year span of 2013-2016 seasons, prompting these guys to say the same thing then that you're projecting to the future. Not sure which is more ludicrous.


Let me get your ramblings straight....So winning 1 Championship in 4 years is the "low" point and to expect that to become the norm is "ludicrous" for any outsider to assume. This comes two sentences after you stating that expecting to win a national title every other year is not reasonable? Which is it????

Winning "only" 1 out of 4 is terrible and ludicrous for anyone to say will become the norm, but winning 2 out of 4 is an unrealistic expectation.

You don't even know what you believe.



Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6528 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:13 am to
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So winning 1 Championship in 4 years is the "low" point and to expect that to become the norm is "ludicrous" for any outsider to assume. This comes two sentences after you stating that expecting to win a national title every other year is not reasonable? Which is it????


I said that spinning it the way you did, which is to try and make if look bad for Alabama, the 4 year span of 2013-2016, when UA won only 1, would actually have been the worst, and to dummies like Cowherd and Klatt, they figured it was all over, just like you're trying to spin now.

And yes, it's unreasonable to expect any team to win a national title half the time. UA has done it now for 10 years, but it's not reasonable to expect that to continue. When you say, though, that it's an indication that UA is falling if it doesn't win next season, it's exactly that.

Dabo obviously has his team where they are consistent contenders. If you have such great expectations for a team to win the national title half the time, you should surely expect your own team to win more often than once every 38 years.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 7:26 am
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:38 am to
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they figured it was all over, just like you're trying to spin now.


I answered the damn question that the OP asked. The OP asked the question, "If Bama doesn't win the natty next year is it any indication that Saban has lost his edge?" I did not make up the question. The question assumed Bama would lose next year and I only took his hypothetical and answered accordingly.

If Bama does not win next year, then once again Bama will have won just 1 in 4.... matching the low point of the Saban era as you point out. How is that not down from a peak of winning 3/4 back in 2012???

Like I said, you don't even know what you are talking about.... contradicting yourself with every sentence you spew.
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15402 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:14 am to
He didnt win the natty in 13 or 14
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
30955 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:25 am to
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If Clemson wins the Title in 2019, there is no denying that Clemson will have overtaken Bama as the nation's premiere program. They too have now won 2 of the last 4 to pull equal to Bama. If they make it 3 of the last 4, its safe to say they are the new Top Dog.


Eh, I wouldn't be concerned if they did. I mean, did all the other schools stop having fans when Alabama won 3 out of 4 from 2009-2012? Or give up on football when they won 2 out of 3 in 2015-2017?

Clemson has an easier path, much like Florida State did in the 90s. They have what amounts to a 1 or 2 game season, and don't have to constantly play against 4* and 5* athletes, game in and game out.

So basically they're as talented as Alabama, but play in a conference where there's practically no wear and tear. No high speed athletes running and gunning for your best players and vice versa. The SEC is a meat grinder; the ACC is a day in the Florida Keys.

I mean, they added Texas A&M to beef up their schedule and is, by far, the toughest team on their schedule.

Where does A&M rank on Alabama's schedule in terms of talent and difficulty? Second? Third? Fourth? Are going to include a likely matchup vs Georgia in the SECCG? Who will Clemson play, another team that barely finishes above .500?

It's fine, because running through the SEC can mean a tougher team OR it can mean a more beat up team. That's the trade-off. Sometimes it works in your favor (see 2017) and sometimes against (2018).

So long as Clemson gets AA level QBs that rarely ever see the dirt because they're facing 2* and 3* LBers and DL, they'll have an easy road to the playoffs.

Heck, once they knew they had Notre Dame as their opener they practically admitted that they were spending most of the time before the playoffs prepping for Alabama. Notre Dame might have been the weakest undefeated regular season team since... well, Notre Dame (2012). Just like in 2012, where everyone who paid attention knew Alabama was going throttle ND, everyone knew Clemson was going to as well.

It is what it is. It is neither "fair" or "unfair", it just IS. So we watch the games, enjoy the victories, hate the losses, and go from there.
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
7010 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:51 am to
Saban is okay as long as he doesn't lose the SECCG to UGA. IOW, Saban will not be okay.
Posted by Bamaorbust
Member since Jan 2019
110 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:53 am to
No. God this fan base is spoiled
Posted by SAINTS0321
Member since Jan 2016
3963 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 10:18 am to
Fear not...he coming!..19 is a lock!!!!
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