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Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:58 am to AwgustaDawg
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The CFB TV market in Atlanta is about 4 times that of NY or Los Angeles. Not TV markets but the % of TVs in the market tuned to CFB when it is aired. Tech does not sell tickets but a HEAPING pile of those TVs are tuned into Tech games from fans of other schools. Tech is a horrible fit but location in this instance matters..
Umm... I don't think you get it.
Those people watching OSU play Tech will also watch OSU play Emory or Kennesaw STate. All of them are located in the city of Atlanta.
Tech doesn't have any more value than those schools because they don't bring any viewership themselves.
The SEC can't add every college in Atlanta because they might join the Big 10. GT doesn't bring any viewership for any sports. They have no local non-grad fanbase and their grads and students have some of the least athletic interest of any college in the US (on par with Ivy League schools). About 1/8th of GT's yearly enrollment is from overseas, and they tend not to have a huge interest in football.
As I said before, it would be more damaging for the SEC if the Big 10 added a yearly random conference game in Atlanta than if the Big 10 added GT. The two random teams they picked for the game would each have more fans in Atlanta and more national viewership than GT would.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:01 am to AwgustaDawg
Even with two of the top 10 most viewed teams on their schedule (UGA and Clemson), GT only managed to be ranked #49.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:09 am to bigDgator
quote:Very much.
Am I wrong here?
Their athletic appeal has become Division 2 quality. Their facilities are inadequate, and quite frankly, the majority of their alumni are no longer avid college sports fans, so....
PS- I forgot....the SEC takes NO SCHOOL that's already left the conference once.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 11:11 am
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:29 am to bigDgator
IMP, UNC would not come without NC State.
All BS aside, the best 4 to join the SEC, that might would work would be Clemson, FSU, UNC and NC State.
All BS aside, the best 4 to join the SEC, that might would work would be Clemson, FSU, UNC and NC State.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:30 am to DawginSC
GT can’t fill their teeny tiny stadium unless UGA or Clemson is visiting and then the stands are a sea of red or orange.
They have little support from their students or alumni. About a third of their students are Asian, another third are from the NE USA and the remainder are nerdy brainiacs who prefer to spend their spare time in the library. The 38 others actually show up at the games and flip birds at their opponents.
Their stadium and facilities are dumps that still carry huge debt with few resources to help dig them out. Their few “wealthy” donors - they all claim to be richer than Midas but constantly whine about the “high” cost of GT tickets - are tighter than ticks with their money. They think pledging $10-15 a month to the AA is going to solve their problems. Really!
GT would bring NOTHING to the SEC except a strange arrogance for no discernible reason and tremendous embarrassment to the conference that a school like this would be allowed to represent the SEC. They are often referred to as the Joke by Coke and that pretty much describes them
If you want a good laugh check out some of their sports boards. The few posters there spend their days arguing about what color combination uniform the team should wear, why can’t their apparel provider get the gold color on their apparel right and why can’t they beat teams like the Citadel. And above all whining about UGA. And how they love offering up statistics and graphs to make their points! And show how smart they think they are.
It’s a real hoot . I drop by anytime I want a good laugh
They have little support from their students or alumni. About a third of their students are Asian, another third are from the NE USA and the remainder are nerdy brainiacs who prefer to spend their spare time in the library. The 38 others actually show up at the games and flip birds at their opponents.
Their stadium and facilities are dumps that still carry huge debt with few resources to help dig them out. Their few “wealthy” donors - they all claim to be richer than Midas but constantly whine about the “high” cost of GT tickets - are tighter than ticks with their money. They think pledging $10-15 a month to the AA is going to solve their problems. Really!
GT would bring NOTHING to the SEC except a strange arrogance for no discernible reason and tremendous embarrassment to the conference that a school like this would be allowed to represent the SEC. They are often referred to as the Joke by Coke and that pretty much describes them
If you want a good laugh check out some of their sports boards. The few posters there spend their days arguing about what color combination uniform the team should wear, why can’t their apparel provider get the gold color on their apparel right and why can’t they beat teams like the Citadel. And above all whining about UGA. And how they love offering up statistics and graphs to make their points! And show how smart they think they are.
It’s a real hoot . I drop by anytime I want a good laugh
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:07 pm to DawginSC
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Umm... I don't think you get it.
Those people watching OSU play Tech will also watch OSU play Emory or Kennesaw STate. All of them are located in the city of Atlanta.
Tech doesn't have any more value than those schools because they don't bring any viewership themselves.
The SEC can't add every college in Atlanta because they might join the Big 10. GT doesn't bring any viewership for any sports. They have no local non-grad fanbase and their grads and students have some of the least athletic interest of any college in the US (on par with Ivy League schools). About 1/8th of GT's yearly enrollment is from overseas, and they tend not to have a huge interest in football.
As I said before, it would be more damaging for the SEC if the Big 10 added a yearly random conference game in Atlanta than if the Big 10 added GT. The two random teams they picked for the game would each have more fans in Atlanta and more national viewership than GT would.
I would bet that GT gets more TV sets on in Atlanta on a Saturday than Kennesaw and Emory combined, especially with Emory not fielding a football team.
This is very similar to Big 10 teams claiming that SEC teams arent that much faster than Big 10 teams...it ain't like SEC teams average 4 second 40s and Big 10 teams average 8 seconds...all it takes is a slight advantage, or disadvantage, depending on your POV, to make a helluva difference. The same is true of TV viewers...Yes, GT doesn't have many viewers, but they would be added to Big 10 totals. Kennesaw State draws about 6000 people on average to a home game. Tech draws about that many students to a home game. There is no comparison between the number of people interested in Tech and Kennesaw State. GT is lousy but compared to the Owls they are in a different league, literally...
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:09 pm to New Money
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Even with two of the top 10 most viewed teams on their schedule (UGA and Clemson), GT only managed to be ranked #49.
No doubt...but that ranking would be better if kept in the footprint of the SEC, not in the Big 10. It ain't much but it don't take much....allowing the Big 10 to establish an outpost in Atlanta without making an effort to prevent it is a bad idea. It ain't the end of the world but it is a bad idea...
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:12 pm to bigDgator
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If we leave them out the Big 10 will gladly snap them up to have some turf
Very true. Big 10/Fox are looking for some footing in the South with Atlanta and Miami TV markets.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:13 pm to DawginSC
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The reality is they don't.
When GT vs UCF was televised last year they had a .07 TV rating. GT doesn't bring ANY eyes to a contest, it's entirely the fans of the team they are playing. They get good ratings against UGA or Clemson because those fanbases watch the games, but against a nobody team? Nobody watches.
What that means is that while OSU or Michigan would bring their fans to a contest against GT... they'd get more fans and TV views by playing a game in atlanta against one of their existing teams like Wisconsin or Indiana.
Playing a bad opponent with no fans in Atlanta won't help recruiting the city any more than playing Rutgers has helped bring viewership or recruits from New York.
Perhaps the Big 10 tries it... but they'd be stupid not to learn from the Rutgers experience.
There is no doubt that Ohio State and Wisconsin, playing in Atlanta for any reason, would be more interesting to more people than Ohio State and GT playing at Grant Field....but the former ain't likely to happen EVER while the latter would happen from time to time if GT became a Big 10 team. It would not be the end of the world but it is a bad idea to have the Big 10 establish an outpost in Atlanta. It'd be far worse than say Wake Forest joining the Big 10. It wouldn't be the end of the SEC but it would have some negative impact and it would be a bad idea to not at least give the Jackets a look....holding onto a grudge when it comes to money is a foolish idea...
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:18 pm to AwgustaDawg
It’s not a grudge. It’s knowing that GT is a joke that the SEC doesn’t need or want
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:25 pm to bigDgator
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With a name like that you should understand it is the tv money that swings the big stick
Location is no longer a thing when it comes to viewership. A network is going to laugh a conference that says give us more money because Ga Tech delivers to you the Atlanta TV market.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:25 pm to bigDgator
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They are a top school for academics and Atlanta is basically the capitol of the South.
It is no secret that the Big 10 requires schools to have top -notch academics as well as athletics. Because of this and the fact that Atlanta is the Capitol of the South...the Big 10 has its sights set on GT.
When you don't learn from History, it is bound to repeat itself...the SEC not closing ranks and extending an invite to GT will bring about the same result as General Grant putting a boot in General Lee's butt to end the Civil war and thus allowing the Yanks to pillage through the South and Gain total control...
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:35 pm to DocHogliday
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I’m don’t want B1G getting a base of operations in ATL for recruiting let alone 10 years from now
They could do the same thing with Rice in Houston and/or SMU in Dallas. They aren't doing it because it makes no financial sense to do so. If Vanderbilt approached the SEC right now and said they were interested in leaving for the Big 10, the SEC would pay show them the door and be on the phone to any one of 10 schools in smaller metro areas with better football programs to replace them in a matter of minutes. This isn't a knock on Vandy as an institution, but football money and relevancy is driving this. And Ga Tech has neither.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:40 pm to Basura Blanco
Vandy is a charter member of the SEC. They aren’t going anywhere
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:48 pm to SaturdayNAthens
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Vandy is a charter member of the SEC. They aren’t going anywhere
Of course they aren't. My point was, if they decided to leave, they would not be missed in this age of super conference free for all realignment.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:51 pm to Basura Blanco
I’d miss them. I enjoy those trips to Nashville
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:55 pm to NitsFan71
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When you don't learn from History, it is bound to repeat itself...
Good point. I'm sure the return of three Networks, no cable or streaming, and metro television markets will be all the rage again very soon.
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thus allowing the Yanks to pillage through the South
The only thing Yanks are pillaging right now is the economies of northern cities as they leave in droves and head south for a better quality of life.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:59 pm to SaturdayNAthens
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I’d miss them. I enjoy those trips to Nashville
Yeah, same here I guess. They are like that sweet old Aunt who gives you socks for Christmas. Never hurt anyone, nice to be around, and they make you feel good when they tell you how proud they are of you at family gatherings.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:04 pm to bigDgator
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They are a top school for academics and Atlanta is basically the capitol of the South. If we leave them out the Big 10 will gladly snap them up to have some turf in the region. Also was a founding member of the SEC.
Am I wrong here?
Florida State University is the top priority to get over Georgia Tech.
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