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re: I am in awe of Saban's courage
Posted on 1/10/18 at 6:45 am to Warrior Poet
Posted on 1/10/18 at 6:45 am to Warrior Poet
I'm in awe of him adopting Canadian Football League rules on the game tying TD. Brilliant!
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 6:45 am to Warrior Poet
I know right!?!?
And how big of a fricking hero was Hurts!!? Heard the commentators calling him a hero twenty times for clapping on the sidelines. True. fricking. hero. Clapping like a hero.
And how big of a fricking hero was Hurts!!? Heard the commentators calling him a hero twenty times for clapping on the sidelines. True. fricking. hero. Clapping like a hero.
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 6:48 am
Posted on 1/10/18 at 6:50 am to BoarEd
quote:You should.
I fricking hate Nick Saban.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 6:55 am to Warrior Poet
I would not call it courage considering Bama had no shot at winning the game with Hurts they Way it was being played. Making the switch was his only option at trying to win the game and it paid off for Bama.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:05 am to Warrior Poet
I don't think it was a courageous move at all. The right move, yes. But not courageous. Hell, it seemed every other post popping up on my Facebook feed during the game called for Tua to be put in because Hurts just wasn't getting it done.
Frankly, I wonder why Tua wasn't playing sooner.
Frankly, I wonder why Tua wasn't playing sooner.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:06 am to geauxtigers33
quote:I've got a little secret for you. Saban (and everybody around the athletic complex) has known that Tua was the better(talent wise) QB. Hell, Saban even said as much when confronted by an NFL scout after a practice last month. What folks don't understand is that there are a multitude of considerations when changing your starting QB of 2 years, for a freshman. The staff has gameplaned this possibility, but have been holding tight to see if they would have to pull the trigger. BY the end of the 1st half on Monday night, it was obvious that the time had come.
I am trying to not sound disrespectful because I do believe Saban is the greatest college coach ever and hate the fact he coaches for Bama. I also think it was smart to make the change but why does he get a pass for not playing Tua until the championship game?
He is the better qb. I never thought Hurts was nothing more than a glorified rb and they did lose the Auburn game (where he could have played Tua and probably had a better chance to win) which almost cost him this opportunity to play Tua and if he didn’t play him in the championship game there is a good chance going into next year Hurts would have started again because Tua was unproven in a game.
I'm not taking anything away from Coach Saban, but there was a ton more preparation and thought surrounding the move than what the media would lead us to believe.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:14 am to coachcrisp
You may be right but why not pull the trigger against Auburn when you were down by a couple of scores late in that game. At the time that was to keep your championship hopes alive.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:22 am to Warrior Poet
Yep, Saban adapts instead of staying stubborn.
Don't get me wrong, Saban has been stubborn sometimes, but who isn't that at times? But, Saban has shown time after time he's willing to change if its needed.
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Saban witnessed this lasts 2 seasons
Last years Playoff
Bama not blowing out Washington in semi's, but only won 21-7. That score should've been 40-7, but Bama offense didn't take advantage when it could.
Bama gets in title game and championship worthy D shuts down Clemson for 3 quarters or so, and with just a little help , would've had energy to finish that game, but when offense needed to step up most. Bama's offense couldn't even get a 1st down, especially after losing Bo, it was the Hurt's show and Bama's offense looked completely different without Bo's identity. After Bama's defense sold out for 3 quarters, to stop one of best players in CFB for two seasons (D Watson, should've won Heisman), Bama's defense need help that last quarter, but didn't get it. Shoot, Bama's offense play-calling play-calling didn't help with that either. Why they called all those pass calls late is beyond me, but we got a preview of Bama's offense this season at the end of last years title game, and it wasn't good. When faced with decent Defense, a bunch of 3 and outs is what was behind a Hurt's led Bama offesive door.
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This years playoff
Bama should blown Clemson out in semi's, but only won 24-6 though. Bama's offense not taking advantage kept that Clemson game way closer than it should've been
Bama's offense started Georgia game, and should've scored in 1st quarter, but Bama's offense once again, missed easy TD chance. Thus, Bama missed OK opportunity to set tone, and Bama offense inability to even string a couple 1st down together, put our defense in bad position again. If Bama stayed with Hurt's at QB, opponents defenses could've continue to play within that 20 yard box to defend Bama, but changing to QB made defenses play honest. Georgia's D had to now defend the whole field again, and the results speak for themselves. It was nice to see Bama's other play-makers get opportunities to make plays, I bet those forgotten players are even more happy about that then I was.
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Saban was witnessing the same scenario playing out right in front of him, but Luckily Saban had the guts to do something many coaches would never do. Saban made the needed QB change, that gave his team best chance to win, and that was the fairest thing Saban could've done for every other Bama player who sold out during those games.
Kudos Saban! I didn't think you could outdo that offside kick coaching call in title game, but you did...
Don't get me wrong, Saban has been stubborn sometimes, but who isn't that at times? But, Saban has shown time after time he's willing to change if its needed.
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Saban witnessed this lasts 2 seasons
Last years Playoff
Bama not blowing out Washington in semi's, but only won 21-7. That score should've been 40-7, but Bama offense didn't take advantage when it could.
Bama gets in title game and championship worthy D shuts down Clemson for 3 quarters or so, and with just a little help , would've had energy to finish that game, but when offense needed to step up most. Bama's offense couldn't even get a 1st down, especially after losing Bo, it was the Hurt's show and Bama's offense looked completely different without Bo's identity. After Bama's defense sold out for 3 quarters, to stop one of best players in CFB for two seasons (D Watson, should've won Heisman), Bama's defense need help that last quarter, but didn't get it. Shoot, Bama's offense play-calling play-calling didn't help with that either. Why they called all those pass calls late is beyond me, but we got a preview of Bama's offense this season at the end of last years title game, and it wasn't good. When faced with decent Defense, a bunch of 3 and outs is what was behind a Hurt's led Bama offesive door.
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This years playoff
Bama should blown Clemson out in semi's, but only won 24-6 though. Bama's offense not taking advantage kept that Clemson game way closer than it should've been
Bama's offense started Georgia game, and should've scored in 1st quarter, but Bama's offense once again, missed easy TD chance. Thus, Bama missed OK opportunity to set tone, and Bama offense inability to even string a couple 1st down together, put our defense in bad position again. If Bama stayed with Hurt's at QB, opponents defenses could've continue to play within that 20 yard box to defend Bama, but changing to QB made defenses play honest. Georgia's D had to now defend the whole field again, and the results speak for themselves. It was nice to see Bama's other play-makers get opportunities to make plays, I bet those forgotten players are even more happy about that then I was.
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Saban was witnessing the same scenario playing out right in front of him, but Luckily Saban had the guts to do something many coaches would never do. Saban made the needed QB change, that gave his team best chance to win, and that was the fairest thing Saban could've done for every other Bama player who sold out during those games.
Kudos Saban! I didn't think you could outdo that offside kick coaching call in title game, but you did...
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 7:23 am
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:28 am to Globetrotter747
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I don't think it was a courageous move at all. The right move, yes. But not courageous. Hell, it seemed every other post popping up on my Facebook feed during the game called for Tua to be put in because Hurts just wasn't getting it done. Frankly, I wonder why Tua wasn't playing sooner.
I agree with this, Tua should've had meaningful playing time before the other night. Saban put a bunch of pressure on this kid without totally preparing him for that HUGE stage. Saban pretty much said "Here's your chance kid, we're down 13-0 and we've got a half of football left, good luck" Title game is not ideal time you want this, but thank goodness Tua was able to answer that huge pressure!
Who knows though, not getting playing time might of left more unknown without more Tua film to study. We'll never know, will we?
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:38 am to SquirrelyBama
There is a Jalen Hurts cult within the Bama fans no doubt. Anybody that saw the Bama A-Day Game this past spring had to know that #13 has WAY MORE potential at QB than #2. Then again why is Bo Scarbrough getting all those snaps..Hootie Jones....F'ing Tony Brown still playing and he couldn't cover a table with a sheet.
Nick is loyal.....to the point that he might not be
Kirby got lucky because he was in the same sport Nick was at QB...only his starter was hurt and Kirby had to put the best player ahead of the starter.
Shet happens..........Forrest Gump
Nick is loyal.....to the point that he might not be
Kirby got lucky because he was in the same sport Nick was at QB...only his starter was hurt and Kirby had to put the best player ahead of the starter.
Shet happens..........Forrest Gump
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:40 am to coachcrisp
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I've got a little secret for you. Saban (and everybody around the athletic complex) has known that Tua was the better(talent wise) QB. Hell, Saban even said as much when confronted by an NFL scout after a practice last month. What folks don't understand is that there are a multitude of considerations when changing your starting QB of 2 years, for a freshman. The staff has gameplaned this possibility, but have been holding tight to see if they would have to pull the trigger. BY the end of the 1st half on Monday night, it was obvious that the time had come.
I'm not taking anything away from Coach Saban, but there was a ton more preparation and thought surrounding the move than what the media would lead us to believe
This type of nuance is wasted in this bunch CC. They think they're watching a high quality video game instead of contest of a couple hundred individuals with their individual emotions and egos. Psychology doesn't mean much when you see the world thru the prism of a meme.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:44 am to geauxtigers33
We don't know where tua was at that point. He got a ton of first team reps in bowl practice and it's much easier to implement a change with extended practice rather than a single week in the regular season. Also Hurts best games were immediately leading to iron bowl so tougher call to make at that point
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:48 am to Warrior Poet
Dan Lebatard led off the local hour of his show talking about this yesterday.
He said maybe no coach other than saban would have switched to a freshman backup qb at halftime of the NCG. Said the reason why is saban has been there so many times now and he has so much equity built up at Bama that he can coach in any game and make any move with zero fear at all of what the fans and money/power people of the program think. Lebatard is right on the money and it does make saban an even better coach too.
He said maybe no coach other than saban would have switched to a freshman backup qb at halftime of the NCG. Said the reason why is saban has been there so many times now and he has so much equity built up at Bama that he can coach in any game and make any move with zero fear at all of what the fans and money/power people of the program think. Lebatard is right on the money and it does make saban an even better coach too.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:51 am to geauxtigers33
quote:The game was 10-7 at half time. If a change like this is to occur, you need a halftime break for everyone to go over their plan and be sure all understand their responsibilities. I imagine that Saban thought that Jalen & Co. could still win the game at halftime.
You may be right but why not pull the trigger against Auburn when you were down by a couple of scores late in that game. At the time that was to keep your championship hopes alive.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:55 am to SquirrelyBama
Things worked out. The auburn game is in the past so no need to go there and play if only. But I’ll bet good money that there were a lot of coaches watching the game Monday and when Tua hit the last touchdown pass they had a oh shite moment.
tDynasty is alive and well.
tDynasty is alive and well.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 8:09 am to Sneaky__Sally
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We don't know where tua was at that point. He got a ton of first team reps in bowl practice and it's much easier to implement a change with extended practice rather than a single week in the regular season. Also Hurts best games were immediately leading to iron bowl so tougher call to make at that point
It isn't just this, there are other factors to consider as well. In the one half he played, Tua made two significant mistakes that showed he was still limited in what he was ready to execute. First, he missed the play call and as a result threw a pass on a running play resulting in an interception. Second, he didn't have any idea what to do when then call was to center the ball for the last second field goal attempt. Saban had to call a timeout and put Hurts in to run that one play.
Things like that are a big reason why he wasn't already playing. That's not a knock against him. He's a true freshman coming in and trying to learn to be a QB at what is currently the best program in CFB. That's a massive step.
Hurts was in the same boat last year, and he made the same mistakes to the point that he started the year with a very limited playbook too. The difference was that last season Saban didn't have someone capable to lean on. The other QBs just weren't good enough to win so he had to ride it out and take his lumps with Hurts.
This season he had a guy that was good enough to win and let Tua grow in practice until he got to the point he was ready to execute at least part of the offense. During the month off for bowl prep, I'm sure they got him even more reps so that he'd be ready if needed.
Now by the time next fall arrives, Tua will be more than ready to take the wheel. He'll know the playbook inside out, with this performance his teammates will know what he can do in a pressure game, there won't any grumbling about supplanting Hurts, and Bama is making room for another national championship trophy.
IMO, Saban handled the situation beautifully.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 8:15 am to coachcrisp
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The game was 10-7 at half time.
And 90 seconds in to the second half, Bama had a 14-10 lead and over 200 yards of offense. The wheels didn't fall off until Bama turned it over at the Auburn 12 when down 20-14 and came away with 0 points.
I don't think there's any doubt they thought Bama could win the game.
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 8:16 am
Posted on 1/10/18 at 8:15 am to JustGetItRight
quote:He simply let the situation come to him.
IMO, Saban handled the situation beautifully.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 8:23 am to JustGetItRight
I agree - certainly still had freshman moments and poor decisions - what i was going for when I said "we don't know where he was at that point". Tua has the arm and has always had it and will continue to improve. I always thought it would be this offseason when he took the lead.
Also, Tua did very well in one half against a team not at all ready for that attack. Hard to say what the outcome would have been if he had taken over in the regular season where teams had film and time to gameplan for him and he was the lead man.
Saban handled it great and Bama came home with the N.C. despite a brutal year injury wise after losing tons of talent to the draft. Lots of young people stepped up - again not sure where they were before the bowl practice - but Saban often goes with a known commodity at the skill positions who are familiar with the blocking / blitz pickups and are known to hold on to the football.
Also, Tua did very well in one half against a team not at all ready for that attack. Hard to say what the outcome would have been if he had taken over in the regular season where teams had film and time to gameplan for him and he was the lead man.
Saban handled it great and Bama came home with the N.C. despite a brutal year injury wise after losing tons of talent to the draft. Lots of young people stepped up - again not sure where they were before the bowl practice - but Saban often goes with a known commodity at the skill positions who are familiar with the blocking / blitz pickups and are known to hold on to the football.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 8:25 am to Warrior Poet
He put in the QB that should've been starting already. Almost waited too late.
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