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re: HUNH Rule change
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:45 pm to RandySavage
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:45 pm to RandySavage
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The fact your head football coach has had the ultimate melt on a national stage and is being crushed for it by virtually everyone another fat loser in Arkansas has certainly been gold.
Do you English, bro?
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:47 pm to Irons Puppet
I think he is lobbying more than whining. Cecil Hurt made a good point about the violent and knee jerk reaction to single out Saban as the fall guy. It also apparently wasn't "whining" when a few coaches secretly lobbied for recruiting rules changes that penalized relentless, hard working recruiters like Saban.He's well within his rights to "whine" given all the whining over him and the rules changes to stop him from his aggressive but legal recruiting.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:48 pm to Gator5220
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I don't support the refs delaying the game by 10 seconds on every play.
When a play is finished the ref should spot the ball as quickly as possible so the offense can run whatever style of offense they wish.
If the defense doesn't like it they can stop play with one of their three timeouts and regroup.
It's not really a 10 second delay. The play clock restarts to 40 after tackle. The refs get ball and set it. Snap can't happen until 29 on the clock. The NCAA is now saying this process should take 10 ticks for the crew to get it set and take care of their other pre snap responsibilities to get in position to check motioning players and that the offense is set before snapping. That's pretty brisk and still allows you to play uptempo if that's your strategy. They will get bitched at if they aren't setting it by 29. It also provides a known time for the defense to work with as well should they feel the need to quickly sub a guy. This is a happy medium IMO and addresses pre snap tempo issues the refs did a bad job regulating themselves.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:02 pm to shakermaker
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It's not really a 10 second delay. The play clock restarts to 40 after tackle. The refs get ball and set it. Snap can't happen until 29 on the clock.
That's a 10 sec delay. You're telling a HUNH offense to wait even though they're ready to snap the ball.
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The NCAA is now saying this process should take 10 ticks for the crew to get it set and take care of their other pre snap responsibilities to get in position to check motioning players and that the offense is set before snapping.
Only problem is its never taken this long so you're still left with the officials delaying the game by 10 seconds on every play which is wrong.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:06 pm to Gator5220
quote:If I was a Gator fan, I'd lobby for a 15 minute clock!
Only problem is its never taken this long so you're still left with the officials delaying the game by 10 seconds on every play which is wrong.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:15 pm to coachcrisp
That's some in depth analysis right there. You should pursue sports journalism. You're a natural.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:17 pm to Gator5220
quote:I'm kidding, man!
That's some in depth analysis right there. You should pursue sports journalism. You're a natural.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:20 pm to coachcrisp
sorry! Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:24 pm to Gator5220
quote:No That's my fault. I get to having so much fun with my Auburn and LSU counterparts that I forget who's who!...but they're quick to remind me of the senility factor involved with us old geezers!
sorry!
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:36 pm to Gator5220
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That's a 10 sec delay. You're telling a HUNH offense to wait even though they're ready to snap the ball.
Yep. Waiting on the refs to do their job the right way is an inherent part of every sport. 10 seconds is still pretty quick. It just takes out the possibility of it being quicker. Standards and shite.
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Only problem is its never taken this long so you're still left with the officials delaying the game by 10 seconds on every play which is wrong.
Happens quite a bit. The rule just takes out the possibility that it takes extraordinarily fast or slow. I could also benefit the offense when there is a slow crew. If the crew is consistently spotting at 25, they point to the clock and tell them they need to go faster.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:24 pm to narddogg81
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Deliberately over exhausting defensive players is dangerous for the following reason (as anyone who has actually played football at any level should understand). First, playing on defense is more physically and mentality demanding than offense due to not knowing the play and having to read and react. The cumulative effect of a series of snaps is more taxing on the d than the o. Defeating a block is harder than setting a block when you know where the play is going, defending a route is more difficult than running a route, etc.. Proper technique is what allows defensive players to tackle without hurting themselves or others. Deliberately over exhausting defensive players causes technique and focus to suffer, making it more likely that a defensive player will make a dangerous tackle that they would not make if they were not exhausted.
Look at Alabama, they love running the ball up the gut. say theyre playing a weak opponent like say... Arkansas? so they keep smashing up the middle for four yards at a time, eventually Arkansas d line wears out, you cheer. you love it as 4 yard runs become 10 and Arkansas d lineman put their hands on their hips.
As the game progresses are you worried about their safety or do you scream run it up the middle!
frankly if player safety mattered most then the whole game needs to be shut down. its a stupidly dangerous sport to begin with, but i dont see this as a safety issue at all.
Saban just doesnt have the S&C and scheme to counter it.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:48 pm to RandySavage
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The fact your head football coach has had the ultimate melt on a national stage and is being crushed for it by virtually everyone another fat loser in Arkansas has certainly been gold.
Which is why its odd that Auburn fans have been doing the melting around here...hmmm.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 4:06 pm to ErnestTBassmaster
why did Saban think he could win with fat, slow players?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 4:10 pm to N97883
I think the whole "player safety" label they're hiding behind for this rule is stupid. It's not about player safety, it's about the offense having an inherent competitive advantage. They might actually get the rule passed if they just called it what it is because it actually makes a lot of sense. The offense can substitute any time they want, why shouldn't the defense be able to? By not letting the offense snap it in the first ten seconds, it gives the defense a chance to quickly sub without the offense just snapping the ball and drawing a substitution penalty on the defense every time. By allowing the offense to snap it after ten seconds, the defense can't just leisurely trot players out there and stall either. Seems pretty fair to me.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 4:30 pm to bigpapamac
I don't think it's about safety OR competitive advantages for offenses. It's about making games last only 3 hours so they can have 4 time slots (11,2,5,8), therefore getting more money and national attention to smaller schools. Because there are less commercials from more touchdowns/timeouts for being tired, this will allow a 3 hour game to take place. Also, each major sports network (CBS, espn, fox, and nbc) will have a "prime time" game. I'm personally against this because with more time slots, there will be lower quality games.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 5:01 pm to mrnegative
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It's about making games last only 3 hours so they can have 4 time slots (11,2,5,8
And slowing down HUNH offenses will accomplish this how?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 5:02 pm to ErnestTBassmaster
A slower pace means more time ticking on the clock
Posted on 2/16/14 at 5:08 pm to LSU1NSEC
quote:why can't LSU beat us with our fat slow players?
why did Saban think he could win with fat, slow players?
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 5:12 pm to narddogg81
I think Saban can win with our 'fat, slow' players given our three national titles in five years
Posted on 2/16/14 at 5:13 pm to memphis tiger
Why do LSU fans care so much about Saban?
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