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How would you rank the states within the SEC footprint in terms of availab instate talent?
Posted on 5/21/17 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 5/21/17 at 5:51 pm
Based off of recent classes (obviously not just the class of 2018) and projected trends? Using the 247 composite ranking since it averages all of them.
IMO
1a Florida 1b Texas
3. Georgia
4. Louisiana
5. Alabama
6. Tennessee
7. Mississippi
8. South Carolina
9. Missouri
10. Kentucky (Could swap with #11)
11. Arkansas (Could swap with #10)
There's definitely been some movement/shakeup over the last 5-10 years IMO as states are starting to see increasing population trends. Obviously some more than others. How do you see it?
IMO
1a Florida 1b Texas
3. Georgia
4. Louisiana
5. Alabama
6. Tennessee
7. Mississippi
8. South Carolina
9. Missouri
10. Kentucky (Could swap with #11)
11. Arkansas (Could swap with #10)
There's definitely been some movement/shakeup over the last 5-10 years IMO as states are starting to see increasing population trends. Obviously some more than others. How do you see it?
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 5:59 pm
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Posted on 5/21/17 at 5:53 pm to TRUERockyTop
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6. Tennessee
7. Mississippi
Posted on 5/21/17 at 5:53 pm to TRUERockyTop
Sadly, I agree with Arkansas being last.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 5:55 pm to TRUERockyTop
We talking per capital, quality prospects, NFL rosters ... what?
Define the metric then it should be easy enough to reach a reasonably accurate conclusion.
Define the metric then it should be easy enough to reach a reasonably accurate conclusion.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 5:57 pm to scrooster
I'm assuming its division 1 caliber players
Posted on 5/21/17 at 5:58 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Tennessee is passing Mississippi in terms of instate talent bruh. Sorry about it.
The numbers/facts below back it up. DWI.
The numbers/facts below back it up. DWI.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:00 pm to scrooster
We'll go off the 247 composite since it averages all of the ratings from everyone.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:07 pm to TRUERockyTop
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We'll go off the 247 composite since it averages all of the ratings from everyone.
So your subject line is misleading. It should read, "this year" (or any one single given year) which would make this thread worthless for all intentional purposes.
The dynamics are changing quickly for states like Tennessee and South Carolina where population growth is booming. More people, more prospects.
As far as Mississippi is concerned they've always been loaded with talent but their problem has always been "qualified" prospects able to enroll. However, they have pretty much dominated the JuCo talent pools for a few decades now.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:10 pm to scrooster
If it's per capita, well I've seen a lot of "Where does the NFL come from" kind of things.
Some of them differ, especially with smaller states that can have a varied run (like South Carolina having Alshon/Gilmore/Clowney/Lattimore in quick succession).
But most per capita lists have Louisiana or Mississippi at the top usually (seen both as #1).
South Carolina comes in anywhere from 3 to 6 or so. Seen some with us behind Georgia, seems like more ahead of Georgia though. Think Alabama rotates with us and Georgia in this regard as well. Florida is usually behind us, with the rest of the SEC following (including Texas).
Bear in mind that these are numbers for guys who eventually play in the NFL, and it is PER CAPITA. And given our population compared to even Georgia, we are a lot more swingy than Florida with it's 20 million people or whatever it is.
And that South Carolina number includes a lot of guys who play at small schools here and there, or major schools besides Clemson or us. Been a lot of those over the years.
If one of those Mississippi schools could be convinced to give up football, the survivor might have a perennially good team.
Some of them differ, especially with smaller states that can have a varied run (like South Carolina having Alshon/Gilmore/Clowney/Lattimore in quick succession).
But most per capita lists have Louisiana or Mississippi at the top usually (seen both as #1).
South Carolina comes in anywhere from 3 to 6 or so. Seen some with us behind Georgia, seems like more ahead of Georgia though. Think Alabama rotates with us and Georgia in this regard as well. Florida is usually behind us, with the rest of the SEC following (including Texas).
Bear in mind that these are numbers for guys who eventually play in the NFL, and it is PER CAPITA. And given our population compared to even Georgia, we are a lot more swingy than Florida with it's 20 million people or whatever it is.
And that South Carolina number includes a lot of guys who play at small schools here and there, or major schools besides Clemson or us. Been a lot of those over the years.
If one of those Mississippi schools could be convinced to give up football, the survivor might have a perennially good team.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:12 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Henry Jones Jr
Tennessee produced 64 division 1 players in 2017
Mississippi-38 division 1 players
Tennessee- 55 composite 3 stars or higher
Mississippi-47
Tennessee- 9 4 stars or higher
Mississippi- 7
Tennessee- 3 5stars
Mississippi- 1
Looks like his ranking was correct. If anything I'd drop Mississippi in the ranks
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:13 pm to scrooster
Dude, do you even read before you post? I literally said in the first sentence Based off of recent classes (obviously not just the class of 2018) and projected trends? 247 tracks the recruiting rankings back to the early 2000's. You can go back years and look at numbers and trends for any given year. It doesn't make anything in this thread misleading or worthless for all intentional purposes outside of your understanding of the post.
The 247 composite has always been what everyone uses on this site for rankings. Simple way to validate the numbers.
The 247 composite has always been what everyone uses on this site for rankings. Simple way to validate the numbers.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:17 pm to rockiee
yep,we have slim pickins here...
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:19 pm to TRUERockyTop
Louisiana is overrated IMO
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:20 pm to BigOrangeBri
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Tennessee produced 64 division 1 players in 2017
Mississippi-38 division 1 players
Tennessee- 55 composite 3 stars or higher
Mississippi-47
Tennessee- 9 4 stars or higher
Mississippi- 7
Tennessee- 3 5stars
Mississippi- 1
Looks like his ranking was correct. If anything I'd drop Mississippi in the ranks
The gap grow even more for the 2018 class. Tennessee's 2018 class is much better than Mississippi's and it's not anywhere close. 2016 and 2015 were about a wash. Tennessee's 2019 class is already up to 13 4* players (with several looking at a 5th star) compared to Mississippi's 7 4* and 2 5*
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:21 pm to TRUERockyTop
Youre looking at 1 class...Tennessee does not have more talent than mississippi. That's just dumb.
How about you do a per capita evaluation of talent and then you will see the cream rises to the top. I'm sure texas, california, florida, and all of these places produce huge amounts of players but they have way more people to produce that talent.
How about you do a per capita evaluation of talent and then you will see the cream rises to the top. I'm sure texas, california, florida, and all of these places produce huge amounts of players but they have way more people to produce that talent.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:25 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
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Youre looking at 1 class...Tennessee does not have more talent than mississippi. That's just dumb.
How about you do a per capita evaluation of talent and then you will see the cream rises to the top.
2015- Tennessee 50 players composite 3 stars or higher
Mississippi- 43
2016- Tennessee 50 players 3 stars or higher
Mississippi- 49
Sounds like you're living in the 80s. Tennessee's population is exploding and its start to show in the number of quality recruits
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:25 pm to TRUERockyTop
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Tennessee is passing Mississippi in terms of instate talent bruh. Sorry about it.
Wasn't that Albert Means feller whom Alabama paid $200,000 from Memphis? You know, the one Harvey Updyke killed later? (jk on the last part)
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:27 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
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How about you do a per capita evaluation of talent and then you will see the cream rises to the top. I'm sure texas, california, florida, and all of these places produce huge amounts of players but they have way more people to produce that talent.
What part of AVAILABLE INSTATE TALENT don't you understand?
I guess all the talent in Georgia doesn't count because they have a huge population
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:31 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
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Tennessee does not have more talent than mississippi. That's just dumb.
2014: Tenn: 7 4* & 0 5* -- MS 8 4* & 0 5*
2015: Tenn: 11 4* & 0 5* -- MS 7 4* & 0 5*
2016: Tenn: 8 4* & 0 5* -- MS 9 4* & 2 5*
2017: Tenn:6 4* & 3 5* -- MS 6 4* & 1 5*
2018: Tenn: 8 4* & 1 5* -- MS 3 4* & 0 5*
2019: Tenn: 13 4* 0 5* -- MS 7 4* & 2 5*
Mississippi only produced more talent than Tennessee in the 2014 and 2016 classes. I don't give a shite about per capita
I said available talent in the subject line.This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:32 pm to TRUERockyTop
Tennessee has come a long way as far as instate talent.
That's what made Fulmer such a great recruiter, he had to go around the country to get the talent he got. While that's still the case, Jones has a much more fertile ground to pick from.
That's what made Fulmer such a great recruiter, he had to go around the country to get the talent he got. While that's still the case, Jones has a much more fertile ground to pick from.
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