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Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:35 am to LSUNV
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Big picture I agree, not a Mack Brown fan though. Don't like what he did with Muschamp
What did Mack do with Muschamp?
Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:36 am to ATX Horn
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What did Mack do with Muschamp?
Coach in waiting ring a bell. He knew he was never going anywhere
Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:45 am to LSUNV
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Coach in waiting ring a bell. He knew he was never going anywhere
Muschamp was only around for 2 years and it's not like he was getting paid as an intern while he waited. Maybe if the game against Bama had ended differently, Mack would've been closer to heading out the door. There was never a timetable put on the HCIW. If Muschamp was here when Mack stepped down, he could have taken over. Pretty simple...not a broken promise that any of us know about.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:46 am to ATX Horn
What's the excuse for major
Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:51 am to genro
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2002 - won 10 games, beat UT (before they sucked), UF, LSU
We were pretty mediocre in 2002.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:53 am to ohiovol
I was at that game. It's the only time I've been to Neyland.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:53 am to genro
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Teams that have won as many consensus National Championships as Texas in the last 40 years:
BYU
Georgia Tech
Washington
Colorado
Clemson
Pittsburgh
That is some elite program, let me tell you.
Tennessee
Ohio State
Michigan
I feel like this may hurt more than it helps.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:54 am to LSUNV
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What's the excuse for major
Excuse for Major? Maybe you're referring to the fact that he is not the sole OC? Honestly, because Harsin has been more accomplished. Major will have a big part in the future of the program and he is a big contributor to the offense now..not to mention killing it on the recruiting trail. If Major felt he was getting shafted, I don't think he would be here. Mack knows his value as both Major and Akina were asked to be left off limits as Muschamp was filling out his asst. coaches at UF.
Saban had a short leash on Major as well while at Bama...he was not the sole OC as Pendry had a big hand in the offense.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:55 am to ohiovol
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We were pretty mediocre in 2002.
Zooker's first year.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:56 am to ohiovol
quote:Yeah that's why I left them off. I could've included Auburn, too. The point was to humiliate Texas but those are traditionally great programs.
Tennessee Ohio State Michigan I feel like this may hurt more than it helps.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:57 am to AUTiger83
It depends on who they have as coach.
Right now, with Mack Brown? They'd fare pretty poorly. Mack's on his way out, in Bobby Bowden-lite style. The guy is a GM, not a HC. Now, that's been good and bad for them, because he is a good Pitch Man, and there may not be a better one in the game. The good: the streak of 10-win+ seasons they had. The bad? Only 2 conference championships! Mack is a used-car salesman. He can rake in the recruits, but he can't evaluate talent or coach kids up. Everything is left up to the assistants and he's a miserable gameday coach.
Now if they had a fire-breather like Patrino, Saban, Meyer... watch out. The only school that is comparable in terms of being a national brand, media darling, insanely wealthy, and located in one of the very top states for talent (which it can also dominate in recruiting) is USC. 'Bama at least has to compete with Auburn in a much smaller state. Texas is the only school west of the Mississippi with an on-campus stadium that has a capacity >100,000. They already get their pick of kids, even in bad years, in a state with 25,674,681 people. Their problem with winning, right now, is that they have a GM who can't identify which kids to take, who has a staff that has failed to coach-up the kids they do take and also that they have no real college HC to take charge of games and make smart in-game tactical decisions.
If they put together their natural advantages with a steel-eyed missle man at the helm, they'd BE Bama, 90's Nebraska or 80's Miami.
That said, I don't ever see them in the SEC. You have to live amongst them and be friends and family with them to understand the mentality. They see themselves as the natural heirs to the universe. God's own chosen. They have a major, major deep-down ingrained abhorrance for being in a situation they don't control or party to an agreement they haven't dictated. They know full well their attitude is what it is, they admit it. They'll largely acknowledge that the primary reason they LIKE the Big XII as is now is ISN'T becuase it's an easier path to a natty - they like it, primarily, just becuase it's theirs - they control it.
Right now, with Mack Brown? They'd fare pretty poorly. Mack's on his way out, in Bobby Bowden-lite style. The guy is a GM, not a HC. Now, that's been good and bad for them, because he is a good Pitch Man, and there may not be a better one in the game. The good: the streak of 10-win+ seasons they had. The bad? Only 2 conference championships! Mack is a used-car salesman. He can rake in the recruits, but he can't evaluate talent or coach kids up. Everything is left up to the assistants and he's a miserable gameday coach.
Now if they had a fire-breather like Patrino, Saban, Meyer... watch out. The only school that is comparable in terms of being a national brand, media darling, insanely wealthy, and located in one of the very top states for talent (which it can also dominate in recruiting) is USC. 'Bama at least has to compete with Auburn in a much smaller state. Texas is the only school west of the Mississippi with an on-campus stadium that has a capacity >100,000. They already get their pick of kids, even in bad years, in a state with 25,674,681 people. Their problem with winning, right now, is that they have a GM who can't identify which kids to take, who has a staff that has failed to coach-up the kids they do take and also that they have no real college HC to take charge of games and make smart in-game tactical decisions.
If they put together their natural advantages with a steel-eyed missle man at the helm, they'd BE Bama, 90's Nebraska or 80's Miami.
That said, I don't ever see them in the SEC. You have to live amongst them and be friends and family with them to understand the mentality. They see themselves as the natural heirs to the universe. God's own chosen. They have a major, major deep-down ingrained abhorrance for being in a situation they don't control or party to an agreement they haven't dictated. They know full well their attitude is what it is, they admit it. They'll largely acknowledge that the primary reason they LIKE the Big XII as is now is ISN'T becuase it's an easier path to a natty - they like it, primarily, just becuase it's theirs - they control it.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:59 am to ATX Horn
It all seems a little shady no matter how it is sliced. Texas can do better than Mack Brown I tell ya
Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:59 am to genro
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Yeah that's why I left them off. I could've included Auburn, too. The point was to humiliate Texas but those are traditionally great programs.
I was trying to take up for Texas.
I just assumed people would laugh at Tennessee and rip on the Big 10. Can't believe I forgot Auburn.
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Posted on 8/8/12 at 8:15 am to LSUNV
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It all seems a little shady no matter how it is sliced. Texas can do better than Mack Brown I tell ya
Don't see anything shady at all. Mack has his faults but there is a short list of elite coaches that the powers that be would ever think of trying to have take his place.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 9:33 am to AUTiger83
quote:Not very well under Brown but Texas has as many resources as anyone. They would make the necessary changes to go toe to toe with anyone in the West. It would never happen though. It would cost them too much money.
Lets assume SEC West.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 10:04 am to Diamondawg
If the horns joined, after 10 years of SEC play, they would probably have 1 conference title and would be the weakest of the 1st tier SEC teams or the strongest of the 2nd tier.
They would have definitely out-performed a&m. There is no doubt about that.
They would have definitely out-performed a&m. There is no doubt about that.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 10:08 am to Diamondawg
To answer the question posed, not unless the SEC wants to give them thier very own sports channel, radio station, "Texas size" box of cry'n tissue and a larger portion of the earnings every year than other SEC teams. Other than that, yeh they'd be ok. 
Texas... Ya'll got what ya wanted now live with it.
Texas... Ya'll got what ya wanted now live with it. 
Posted on 8/8/12 at 10:13 am to AUTiger83
With a legit coach, they would compete for the title every other year. Anyone saying otherwise is delusional. State of Texas recruiting locked down plus ridiculous amounts of money to pay for top coaches / facilities.
However, since they do not have a legit coach (LOL @ Mack Brown) they would be 3rd or 4th in the SEC West.
However, since they do not have a legit coach (LOL @ Mack Brown) they would be 3rd or 4th in the SEC West.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 10:14 am to Funky Juice
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They would have definitely out-performed a&m. There is no doubt about that.
Hence, our hesitance to blindly follow them into any conference they chose (like the Pac12). Breaking away from the same conference as texas could be one of the best moves long term for A&M.
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