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re: How would Orgeron be doing if he didn’t have the most expensive staff in CFB?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 4:50 am to Dude88
Posted on 12/4/19 at 4:50 am to Dude88
Smart people hire people smarter than them to work for them and then let them do their jobs while they get out of the way and manage them from within and that is what Ed O does so well. Indeed, he is damn good at it cause he is always 100 percent genuine and always perfectly honest with everyone from the President of the university on down to the janitors that clean the bathrooms. Ed O is a consummate professional and a super-organized individual.
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Posted on 12/4/19 at 4:58 am to Big EZ Tiger
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He knows how to say "46-41".
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Geaux Tigahs!!
Posted on 12/4/19 at 4:59 am to Dude88
What is “He would be doing worse Alex”.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:14 am to NashvilleTider
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he’s not a smart man and hired good people.
can you say oxymoron thinking
Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:14 am to Dude88
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Given how he did at Ole Miss, I have to wonder.
In his three years at Ole Miss, he didn't win but in reality, no one else could have won with those players he inherited from his predecessor either. As a lot of his former Ole Miss assistants from that time period have attested to that fact, including Hugh Freeze.
Nonetheless, Ed O did recruit his arse off while at Ole Miss. Which is why Houston Nutt came in and won immediately with the players that Ed O had recruited and brought to Ole Miss.
However, unlike Ed O, Houston Nutt was a horrible recruiter. So after Ed O's players all graduated, the winning suddenly stopped and Houston Nutt also soon found himself looking for a new job.
In fact, Hugh Freeze says that had Ole Miss given Ed O that one final year of his four-year contract, that Ed O would in all probability still be the head coach at Ole Miss today
Every coach when they are first starting out makes a bunch of stupid mistakes and Ed O readily admits that he made his fair share of them. But unlike a lot of people, Ed O was able to learn and grow from his mistakes.
Which is why he is one of the most successful head football coaches today in all of college football.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:15 am to the808bass
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What a stupid question.
How would Saban be doing without his 5* recruits?
We already know.
6-5-1
6-6
7-5
Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:20 am to Dude88
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deep pockets at LSU
Wait, now all of a sudden we have deep pockets? For three years this board has said we are broke
Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:24 am to Dude88
How fast would a Ferrari be with a Toyota Corolla engine?
He’s the HC. Putting a great staff together (and making sure the resources are available to pay for it) is near the top of the list of his duties.
Saban appears to not have a very good DC for the first time in his tenure...not helping him either.
He’s the HC. Putting a great staff together (and making sure the resources are available to pay for it) is near the top of the list of his duties.
Saban appears to not have a very good DC for the first time in his tenure...not helping him either.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:27 am to RTRcdub
that's like saying, I wonder if Saban would have won all those National Championships without all those five star recruits!this thread is stupid. every coach needs something or someone good on his staff.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:36 am to Dude88
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But it’s hard to say what staff he’d be able to put together if he wasn’t able to outbid everybody.
Not everyone on Ed O's staff is overpaid as you so stupidly imply. In fact, most of them are not overpaid. Aranda is the only one but that's primarily because Jimbo Fisher tried to steal him away from LSU. So LSU had to match what Jimbo had offered Aranda. But OC Steve Ensminger makes about $800,000 a year, which certainly is not the highest in his profession. As Matt Canada made about double that amount during his short stint at LSU.
As you are quite wrong when you claim that Ed O has outbid everyone to acquire his staff. Dave Aranda is the only coach on the coaching staff that has benefited from such a circumstance.
Not to mention, that all of the assistant coaches love working for Ed O and LSU cause Ed O is 100 percent genuine and honest with everyone. So the work atmosphere Ed O maintains is excellent. As everyone on Ed O's staff puts LSU and the kids first. Which is exactly how Ed O wants it.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 6:11 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:37 am to NashvilleTider
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He can’t even talk - at least he knows he’s not a smart man and hired good people.
Outsmarted Dick Saban.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:39 am to Wild Thang
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Exactly what I’m pointing out.
You're absolutely wrong.
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It’s a fricking clown show of alter trolls
You're absolutely right.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:44 am to KingDaddyRabbit
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However, unlike Ed O, Houston Nutt was a horrible recruiter. So after Ed O's players all graduated, the winning suddenly stopped and Houston Nutt also soon found himself looking for a new job.
Nutt's teams had quite a bit of talent when he was at Arkansas, though he was not a great recruiter. His problem, and it was a big one, was that all of his recruiting ties and experience was based in Arkansas and reaching into DFW. Put him in Mississippi and he was doomed.
To his credit Coach O has shown he can recruit anywhere. Combine that with him taking a step back from play calling and hiring top notch assistants and you've got a real success story.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:44 am to Dude88
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deep pockets at LSU
I never know which narrative is the flavor of the moment by people who have had their feelings hurt by LSU.
Are we broke?
Is O stupid?
Whenever you guys pick the false narrative you really want to thrive on, let us know.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:46 am to Big EZ Tiger
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There is some good luck involved there, but credit to Orgeron.
I give more of the credit to Ensminger cause he is the one who discovered Brady and when Jerry Sullivan was retiring again, Ensminger talked Ed O into replacing Sullivan with Brady. As up until Ensminger introduced Brady to Ed O, he had never heard of him. However, luckily Ensminger, who Ed O trust immensely was able to convince him to hire Brady and luckily Ed O was willing to listen to him. As it all worked out beautifully cause Brady turned out to be a grand slam hire relative to Jerry Sullivan.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:51 am to NashvilleTider
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He can’t even talk - at least he knows he’s not a smart man and hired good people.
Judging on this year’s recruiting class, high school kids seem to understand what he’s saying.
Also, Saban pretty much started the trend on hiring these type of staffs. Would he have the same success without Kiffin, Sarkisian… and his shadow staff?
Orgeron deserves credit for what he has accomplished just as any other coach similarly situated.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:56 am to Dude88
How would a Ferrari do against a Bugatti if the Ferrari had to run the race with a Ford Focus engine instead of a Ferrari engine?
Oh man...
A very large part of being a head coach IS assembling a great staff, and then managing it all. What an incredibly idiotic question to ask.
Oh man...
A very large part of being a head coach IS assembling a great staff, and then managing it all. What an incredibly idiotic question to ask.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:02 am to Dude88
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Beneath the shoulder pads of each player, a small electronic device has been keeping track of each player's speed. The LSU sports medicine staff has studied the data and found a surprising conclusion: the players are actually moving faster at this point in the season than they have in previous years.
"You would think you're fatigued," LSU athletic training director Jack Marucci said. "You would think you're worn out. But from a mental and a physical standpoint, we are not."
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The LSU sports medicine first started tracking player speed about eight years ago, Marucci said, but it wasn't until Orgeron's tenure that the data was fully received, processed and used.
How does the technology work?
The devices, manufactured by Polar, a sports performance technology company, are attached to a player's skin below the shoulder pads, and they essentially function like a GPS, measuring the player's movement over a plotted map.
The players wear the devices in both practices and games.
Vic Viloria, an assistant LSU strength coach, enters each players' data into a spreadsheet, and over time, the sports medicine staff can tell when a players' overall speed is decreasing.
Orgeron said the staff shares the information, and he makes a decision on how much he'll scale back on a player's workload or even the team as a whole.
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But sometimes, Marucci said, Orgeron will act "before we even have to say anything." Orgeron said he's reduced hitting in practice the last couple of weeks — a decision he made before the Tigers clinched the Western Division title.
LSU quarterback Joe Burrow said he's been resting his arm recently, that he doesn't throw a lot on Mondays anymore, that he even picks his spots on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.
"Just think about this: we're winning, and (Orgeron's) adjusting practice," Marucci said. "You could always say, 'Well, this is the way we've been practicing and we've been winning. Why make a change? That's where I think his intelligence has been."
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Within the speed tracking data, an overall team increase of 0.3 mph over the course of a season would be "pretty good," Marucci said.
When LSU began practicing under Orgeron, Marucci said, the Tigers went up 2 mph as a team.
What does that mean on the field?
More energy. More acceleration for football's fundamental equation: Force = Mass X Acceleration.
"I think that's definitely benefited me to not be super tired, super sluggish on the field," Phillips said. "It gives you that extra ability to make that tackle."
Say what you want, but Coach O is leading the way in analytics. He revamped the way practices were run when he was first hired and continues to modify and adjust training, practice and scheme/game planning. Willingness to change and reflect on success and failure and recognize deficiencies is a higher level cognitive function so looks like O's more evolved than a majority of the coaches in college football.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:03 am to DuckTalesLOL
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I think a better question is how will LSU do next year without Burrow. Brennan went be anywhere close to the same production.
LSU will inevitably win the SEC again in 2020. As Myles Brennan, who is going to be a four-year redshirt junior starter, does have quite a bit of experience. Not saying he is going to be as good as Joe Burrow, but Brennan does have one of the best arms in the SEC and will inevitably be one of the top if not the best QB in the SEC next season.
Furthermore, both the receiver and running back corp in 2020 will not only be the most elite in the SEC, but also the most elite in the country. While the offensive line should be even better than in 2019.
On the defensive side of the football, both the front seven and the defensive backfield will both be elite.
About the biggest difference between 2019 and 2020 will be that the offense will be a little less pass-happy and a little more run-oriented. It's going to be a much more balanced offense relative to 2019.
Hence, as I said, LSU will inevitably win the SEC again in 2020
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:10 am to Dude88
No coach will succeed without a solid supporting cast...it’s just like in business, if you surround yourself with shite people you will get shite results...smdh
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