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re: how to fix flopping

Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:38 am to
Posted by Victor R Franko
Member since Dec 2021
769 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:38 am to
quote:

he simple solution is allow a window for the defense to substitute.

No, the defense already has substitution rights if the offense substitutes. The purpose and advantage of a hurry up is to not make substitution, offense or defense, so that offense can take advantage of mismatches. If I'm reading you correctly, you're eliminating hurry up offense, which IMHO is a fun part of the game. Get rid of the flopping.
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
6459 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:50 am to
quote:

If I'm reading you correctly, you're eliminating hurry up offense,


Yes. For the same reason that "hurry up" pitching doesn't exist in baseball.

Don't we already have a play clock in place?

If you snap the ball after the 25 seconds - it's delay of game. Lose 5 yards.

Well...if you snap the ball before 15 seconds - no good. Lose 5 yards.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
7272 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:51 am to
quote:

Then I would let my helmet pop off. How many series will I get for that? When you treat legitimate injuries the same as acting you are reading minds and trying to legislate motives and no one in Birmingham or anywhere else is interested in opening those can of worms. That's why we have fortune tellers.


Did this actually make any logical sense in your head? I have zero clue what you are trying to say. You get one play out when your helmet comes off. What does that have to do with players faking injuries and stopping the game?
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
19417 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:58 am to
Sit out rest of series or 5 plays. If series only has 1 more play then must sit 4 plays next series. Series means your side of ball, if defender snaps only count while your team plays D. And not able to play special teams if snaps carry over.
Posted by Gator5220
Member since Aug 2010
4364 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:59 am to
quote:

If I'm reading you correctly, you're eliminating hurry up offense

That’s correct. Today’s football is already biased towards offense and now they can prevent defensive substitutions while also getting 10 seconds of direct radio communication with the quarterback.
The first 10 seconds should be used for each side to prepare for the play.
Posted by ukraine_rebel
North Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
3116 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:02 am to
The reason for the scroll is so the opponent can’t tell who really is or isn’t injured. If you have to have a list, just list everybody and the list is worthless.
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
6459 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:10 am to
Wait till they start intercepting radio communications to the QB.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
68293 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:14 pm to
quote:

easy to say in your ivory tower as an alabama fan, while running a fast paced offense with depth only uga can match....gtfo


I’ve been advocating for this since 2012, my guy. Of course back then it was because I was afraid of a level playing field and concerned because Saban couldn’t defend against it.
Posted by Insurancerebel
Madison
Member since Aug 2021
2296 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

Telling someone that they need to sit as precautionary measure won't open you up to liability.


It is the telling someone they aren't hurt that is the issue. Especially a ncaa ref, who can't get their shite together.

A triage shouldn't be run.

If you go down, you are coming out for the possession. Should give the training staff plenty of time to check them out.

Not a perfect answer, but it is a step in the right direction.
Posted by AulderMagee
Dallas
Member since Mar 2024
3087 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:20 pm to
quote:

Offenses will once again have to earn it instead of using fatigue and confusion as a replacement for talent.


hahahahaha

"Dont let them expose that we're stupid and not well-conditioned. Help us keep our outdated defensive schemes valid"."

This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 12:21 pm
Posted by Insurancerebel
Madison
Member since Aug 2021
2296 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:21 pm to
quote:

The weakness in that is the Lane's of the world will run a walk-on out there for one play with instructions to flop. Who cares if he's lost for the remainder of the possession?


The flopping is so it stops the offense.. This theory doesn't hold water.

Defense cannot sub unless the Offense subs.

So Lane is going to wait... Let the offense sub, run a walk on out there..

Help me out, is there going to be a play run before he flops or after?

Mehh you can do better with your Lane shade

Posted by AulderMagee
Dallas
Member since Mar 2024
3087 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

If I'm reading you correctly, you're eliminating hurry up offense


yeah I thought this was a thread about flopping, not a crybaby gump fest about not being able to handle Tennessee's offense.
Posted by Insurancerebel
Madison
Member since Aug 2021
2296 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

NCAA logic

Will also increase liability. That rule would cause some truly injured players to metaphorically "rub some dirt on it" because they don't want to sit out a possession. Having some legitimately hurt player who does not have all their faculties make a split second decision to get up or stay down can cause that player to make a really dumb move that then could cause them to get injured even worse. Player will then tell court that they would not have gotten up if they thought they could be evaluated and then reenter the game. NCAA liable.

The NCAA would rather have a product with flops than make a rule that could even slightly increase their liability and lose them and their affiliates money and lead to a public court case.


Very true
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
68293 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:22 pm to
I disagree.

A star QB getting the wind knocked out of him on a first down run during a game-deciding drive should not force him to sit out for the rest of the possession. That’s absolutely asinine.

The best and easiest way to eliminate flopping is to slow the game down but no one wants to face or admit it.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 12:26 pm
Posted by madmaxvol
Infinity + 1 Posts
Member since Oct 2011
20885 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

Make a flopper sit out for ten minutes. I guess that means make anyone who goes down sit out ten minutes or five minutes but a minimum of five or ten plays. Really injured people will sit out for that long anyway. Slightly injured guys will get up quicker.



I'm actually ok with them having to sit for the remainder of the possession.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
35415 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

Defense cannot sub unless the Offense subs.


Whaaaaat? Since when?

What you meant was "refs don't hold up the snap unless the offense subs in a player". Not the same thing.
Posted by BigDickRick16
Tennessee
Member since Mar 2023
2507 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:49 pm to
quote:

how to fix flopping


It’s easy! While players are done being tended to, the booths has time to review the injury while players are being attended to without adding any more time to the game. Of a player is seen looking towards the sideline and then drops after the play is over and he got up on his own, then it should be a delay of game and penalty, or an unsportsmanlike penalty for 15yds. And if the same player gets 2 unsportsmanlike penalty for faking injuries, then he must leave the game immediately for the remainder of the game.

This can be fix if the NCAA and SEC wants to. You can watch replay and see a player get up on his own power, and then fall down once he looks around and realizes his team
Isn’t set, that is pretty obvious.
Posted by Gator5220
Member since Aug 2010
4364 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

yeah I thought this was a thread about flopping, not a crybaby gump fest about not being able to handle Tennessee's offense.

Maybe this thread will come out in coloring book form so you can understand it better.
Posted by HoopsAurora
Member since Apr 2024
1880 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:31 pm to
I think you'd see a mass amount of bench players being inserted that wouldn't be missed if they were out 5 plays or 5 games. Kind of like in basketball where they stick the white bench guys in at the end of the game to eat up fouls.
Posted by AulderMagee
Dallas
Member since Mar 2024
3087 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

A star QB getting the wind knocked out of him


holy shite. you must be a gump fan.

A QB isn't on defense, and wouldn't be flopping to help the defense catch a breather, lol. Which is the problem being discussed.

Try again.
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