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re: How much should SOS play in national championship picture?
Posted on 9/3/19 at 2:51 pm to Smell the crawfish
Posted on 9/3/19 at 2:51 pm to Smell the crawfish
Well there's a reason G5 teams with shite schedules don't make the CFP.
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Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:02 pm to Smell the crawfish
2007 season was the best argument in support of teams with tough SOS that I can recall.
LSU has 2 losses, but the toughest SOS in the country, and whipped #1 tOSU’s arse in the natty game, 38-24, but the game was never as close as the score would indicate.
OSU was consensus #1 that year going into bowl season, and LSU only got in because a myriad of teams suffered fluke upsets. IIRC, we went from #7 or 8 to #2 in a single week due to said upsets.
LSU suffered their share of upsets that year, having lost in 3OT to both UK and R-Kansas. Arkansas was legit, but WTF w the Kentucky loss?!?
Regardless, having beaten the likes of VT, Bama, AU, UF, et cetera, it was clear LSU was the best among the 2-loss teams, of which there were a more than a handful IIRC.
As we all know, LSU destroyed OSU in the NC, and set the standard in favor of teams with losses but difficult SOS over teams with weak SOS.
Granted, the argument has not been as intense in all the years since, but LSU whipping up on the consensus #1 made clear that teams who play other difficult teams and are generally successful are usually better than those who have one loss but played no one of substance.
The same can be said of Alabama in 2011. They had an identical record to that of OSU, but were clearly the better team based on SOS, and proved it in the NC (with a little help from LSU’s QB being hungover from partying like a Dbag the night before). That aside, the point stands that the right team was selected to play the only undefeated team in 2011 (game in Jan of 2012), as evidenced by results on the field.
Recent history has shown us that teams that are battle-tested are more worthy of playoff consideration than those who play cupcakes.
Clemson is the exception, not the rule. If they played a schedule like LSU or Auburn and finished 11-1 instead of 12-0, they’d be just as worthy of a playoff appearance as the undefeated teams they’ve put into the playoff in recent years.
They also can’t be totally faulted because they schedule legit OOC teams. It isn’t their fault that the rest of the ACC sucks.
TL;DR: SOS is very important IMHO.
I’d prefer the current playoff format select teams using the BCS formula instead of a biased human committee.
LSU has 2 losses, but the toughest SOS in the country, and whipped #1 tOSU’s arse in the natty game, 38-24, but the game was never as close as the score would indicate.
OSU was consensus #1 that year going into bowl season, and LSU only got in because a myriad of teams suffered fluke upsets. IIRC, we went from #7 or 8 to #2 in a single week due to said upsets.
LSU suffered their share of upsets that year, having lost in 3OT to both UK and R-Kansas. Arkansas was legit, but WTF w the Kentucky loss?!?
Regardless, having beaten the likes of VT, Bama, AU, UF, et cetera, it was clear LSU was the best among the 2-loss teams, of which there were a more than a handful IIRC.
As we all know, LSU destroyed OSU in the NC, and set the standard in favor of teams with losses but difficult SOS over teams with weak SOS.
Granted, the argument has not been as intense in all the years since, but LSU whipping up on the consensus #1 made clear that teams who play other difficult teams and are generally successful are usually better than those who have one loss but played no one of substance.
The same can be said of Alabama in 2011. They had an identical record to that of OSU, but were clearly the better team based on SOS, and proved it in the NC (with a little help from LSU’s QB being hungover from partying like a Dbag the night before). That aside, the point stands that the right team was selected to play the only undefeated team in 2011 (game in Jan of 2012), as evidenced by results on the field.
Recent history has shown us that teams that are battle-tested are more worthy of playoff consideration than those who play cupcakes.
Clemson is the exception, not the rule. If they played a schedule like LSU or Auburn and finished 11-1 instead of 12-0, they’d be just as worthy of a playoff appearance as the undefeated teams they’ve put into the playoff in recent years.
They also can’t be totally faulted because they schedule legit OOC teams. It isn’t their fault that the rest of the ACC sucks.
TL;DR: SOS is very important IMHO.
I’d prefer the current playoff format select teams using the BCS formula instead of a biased human committee.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:04 pm to Philippines4LSU
Which BCS formula do you like more - 50% polls/50% computers or 1/3 media poll, 1/3 coaches poll, and 1/3 computers?
Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:08 pm to Herman Frisco
Doesn’t take much for y’all to get defensive.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:10 pm to Korin
The former.
I like having computers being weighed as much as possible. I trust them over humans.
I like having computers being weighed as much as possible. I trust them over humans.
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:11 pm to Philippines4LSU
I prefer the latter since that got us in over Texas in 08. 
The former is what kept OU at #1 in 03.
The former is what kept OU at #1 in 03.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:13 pm to Smell the crawfish
The ACC apologist attack. Clemson got that Charmin schedule every year.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:17 pm to Korin
Was it 03 or 07 when he AP opted out because the formula determined eventual NC LSU to be more worthy than USC?
Memory is a little hazy about that.
I guess I could Google it...
Memory is a little hazy about that.
I guess I could Google it...
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:20 pm to Philippines4LSU
You've got it backwards. USC was #1 in both polls but #3 in the BCS. Oklahoma somehow stayed #1 despite being #3 in both polls. The AP left the BCS after the 04 season and was replaced with the Harris Interactive media poll.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:21 pm to Smell the crawfish
quote:LSU losses too many conference games.
If not, LSU needs to quit playing teams like Texas, Wisconsin and Miami as non-conference opponents.
2014 LSU lost 4 conference games MSU/AU/Arkansas/Bama
2015 LSU lost 3 conference games Bama/Arkasas/OleMiss
2016 LSU lost 3 conference games AU/Bama/UF
2017 LSU lost 3 conference games MSU/Troy/Bama
2018 LSU lost 3 conference games UF/Bama/aTm
Has LSU's OOC schedule caused them to average 3 conference losses a year?
Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:26 pm to Korin
OU in 2018 begs to differ
Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:31 pm to Korin
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You've got it backwards.
Was legitimately asking because I’m so old I don’t remember. At my age and with my history, years tend to run together.
I think both LSU and USC fans wish our respective ADs had scheduled a game between the two schools. I’m sure the players felt the same way.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:31 pm to Old Sarge
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OU in 2018 begs to differ
#12 in SOS says nope.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:45 pm to Philippines4LSU
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I like having computers being weighed as much as possible. I trust them over humans.
Then you are an idiot.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:52 pm to Korin
Georgia was #3
Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:54 pm to bamawriter
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I like having computers being weighed as much as possible. I trust them over humans.
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Then you are an idiot.
Dont the computers rank the Pac and Big 12 as harder conferences quite routinely?
Posted on 9/3/19 at 4:05 pm to Old Sarge
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Georgia was #3
#10.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 4:14 pm to Smell the crawfish
Saw SOS in the title and a LSU fan was the OP...had a pretty good idea of where the OP wanted this thread to go. Then I read a couple of sentences...
You guys NEVER disappoint.
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I was just reading on CBS sports the SOS schedule for this season's SEC teams. It goes without saying that Georgia and Alabama are the two teams most feel have the best shot at winning a national championship this season.
Georgia has the second toughest SOS in the SEC and Alabama is dead last. How much should SOS play when it comes down to the end of the season?
Most believe Georgia and Alabama will meet in the SEC championship game. If Alabama edges out Georgia, should they be given a playoff spot over a Georgia team that played a much tougher schedule?
We often criticize other teams for playing in weak conferences and playing weak schedules, so how do you justify a team with the weakest conference SOS playing over a team that had a much tougher schedule?
I'm neither a Georgia or Alabama fan, but I am a fan that believes one should be rewarded for playing a much tougher schedule. If not, LSU needs to quit playing teams like Texas, Wisconsin and Miami as non-conference opponents.
Don't give me the argument that schedules were made years in advance because schools drop and add opponents all the time.
You guys NEVER disappoint.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 4:20 pm to DannyByGodFord
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And when Notre Dame beats UGA a lot of SEC schedules are going to take a hit.
Let’s just get through this season before we start making wild predictions about games not even under contract.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 4:21 pm to Korin
Not according to the NCAA
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